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Harte, Patrick D.

Thursday, 15 December 1966

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 226 Nbr. 5


Debate on Adjournment (Christmas Recess).

The Deputy was not in Killarney last Thursday.More Button

I wonder would Mr. Courtney outside Killarney testify to that, an independent member of Kerry County Council?More Button

I thought I heard—More Button

That will surely appear in the next issue of Dublin Opinion.More Button

Debate on Adjournment (Christmas Recess) (Resumed).

And the story of Killarney Town Hall would be quite different.More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

The Deputy left out the Minister for Agriculture.More Button

You are not in Killarney Town Hall now.More Button

That is not exactly what he said.More Button

I do not know where the Deputy gets the three heads of cabbage.More Button

That is not true.More Button

The Deputy is as wrong in that as he was in his previous remarks.More Button

But is Deputy Corry not elected on proportional representation?More Button

That again is not true.More Button

There is not a word of truth in that.More Button

What did the Deputy tell the farmers to do with their livestock? I have read his speeches.More Button

I am merely asking Deputy Corry——More Button

What happened Potez?More Button

The Deputy is getting my constituency mixed up with that of the Leas-Cheann Comhairle. He is misinformed.More Button

That was the biggest mistake that ever happened.More Button

That was not politics.More Button

That is typical of the thinking of a Fianna Fáil Deputy.More Button

And you put them in jail.More Button

Quite right.More Button

That is not true.More Button

Now they are going at the age of 12. Whole families are going.More Button

Good. The wrong man is leading that Party. Deputy Corry should have been selected as Taoiseach.More Button

The tomahawk is out again.More Button

Or Killorglin.More Button

You are putting Fine Gael first?More Button

No; I was in Valentia with the Minister for Agriculture.More Button

Do not talk about livestock. I read the speeches made by Deputy Corry in 1932 on the subject of livestock. Deputy Belton and I spent a couple of hours reading them.More Button

That would be our good luck.More Button

I wonder if it is right or wrong for me to claim a victory for the Fine Gael Party in the two by-elections? I should like to give my view of how the by-elections were won and lost and what the resu...More Button

I am not saying anything about the new Leader. This wave of enthusiasm within the Fianna Fáil ranks lasted from the day Deputy Lynch announced that he would accept the leadership until just...More Button

In every week that went by after Deputy Jack Lynch had accepted the leadership of the Party, the enthusiasm was getting less and less, so much so that the results of the Waterford by-election prove...More Button

If the Deputy from East Limerick will wait, I will deal with it.More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

The cheer leader for Fianna Fáil has arrived, the man who appears most in the Official Debates as the chief interrupter. The young boy——More Button

The Deputy who backed the wrong horse. He could have been driving around Kerry in a Mercedes.More Button

I could be better placed there. I want to give the Deputy some advice. If the Deputy had stood back, he would have been driving a Mercedes——More Button

I am corrected by a colleague. The Deputy would not have had to drive himself; he would have had a driver, or perhaps two drivers.More Button

I was saying that the result of the Waterford by-election indicates to me the growing support for the Fine Gael Party, and if the election had been postponed for a fortnight at least, the Fianna F&...More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

You are not in Killarney Town Hall now. Sit back and listen.More Button

I was pointing out in regard to the result of the Kerry by-election the importance the Fianna Fáil Party placed on winning it when they had no fewer than 11 Ministers there for a fortnight. ...More Button

We know the difficulties Deputy Molloy had in Dingle.More Button

It would have been more pleasant for the Deputy if he had backed the right man for Taoiseach.More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

Before the Ceann Comhairle came in, I was making a brief reference to them.More Button

I have, I should have concluded earlier except for the interruptions.More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

Before leaving the by-elections, let me say that about three years ago the Fianna Fáil Party won two by-elections and within six months, they lost a by-election. If they had the opportunity...More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

I should like to put it on record that I do not mind being interrupted by Deputy Clohessy——More Button

——because Deputy Clohessy's name never appears on the records of this House——More Button

When the Minister for Transport and Power spoke this evening, he said that some of the difficulties of the Government in going into these two by-elections were beyond the Government's control. He ...More Button

Not so long ago I heard the former Taoiseach, Deputy Lemass, make statements here. I read speeches he made at Fianna Fáil meetings in this city and throughout the country advocating inflati...More Button

The Deputy has made mistakes.More Button

If the Deputy had not made the vital mistake, he could have been down in the Front Benches.More Button

Indeed, one reason why we were in such a serious financial position in the past few months is basically that the Government encouraged inflation. Then they bought themselves out of two by-election...More Button

Deputy Lenihan does not agree with me but he will be the first to agree that there are more posh offices in this city and more money spent on office blocks, centrally heated and with fitted carpet...More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

I just remarked briefly on it. I feel it is wrong that a Government should spend so much money in this direction and encourage the spending of so much money in this direction when people in our so...More Button

The Taoiseach said a great deal of their support was drawn from the poorer sections of the community. I saw industrialists from Dublin in their Mercedes cars, people who subscribe £1,000 or ...More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

And three of them could be better placed somewhere else.More Button

I as a young Deputy have seen a new Leader in the Fianna Fáil Party and I wonder, when the next general election takes place, whether in six months time or in 1969-70, as the former Taoiseac...More Button

“We have difficulties; we are going to the country.” If he does that, he will have my word that the Leader of the Fine Gael Party will not, like the former Leader of Fianna Fáil, promise t...More Button

That remains to be seen.More Button

I believe that had the present Government gone to the country, a completely different result would have been forthcoming. In regard to housebuilding, in the 17th Dáil we had a Minister for ...More Button

Like many Deputies, and indeed like many other people in the country, I feel obliged to refer to the system of election, namely, proportional representation, and I do not cast any reflection on Mem...More Button

I will not dispute with Deputy Corish that these people had the right to use their second preference votes or to abstain from doing so. But, when we have the system of proportional representation ...More Button

I would answer that question by this. I said to the Fine Gael voters in Kerry for the brief time I was there——More Button

A smart young boy like Deputy Molloy, with all the glory in his past——More Button

Deputy Corish asked how many “plumpers” there were in the Fine Gael votes. I did not see the count. I gave the same advice to the people voting for the Fine Gael candidate, that they should use t...More Button

Fianna Fáil can stay in office and feather their nests at the expense of the poor by making the poor people believe that, if any other Party are returned to power, the poor will lose all th...More Button

As long as that is the position, Fianna Fáil will be safe for another period.More Button

This is my personal opinion. Fianna Fáil have created the myth that there is only one system of government in this country—the one-Party system. They came to power with the help of L...More Button

I cannot see why it should not work.More Button

I am surprised that Deputy Fanning should use this opportunity to interrupt me. I have never interrupted him.More Button

Countries in Western Europe have had coalition Governments which have been more successful than a Fianna Fáil Government. If the Labour Party are to be in opposition, they should be in Oppo...More Button

I say it because I feel the Irish people are sick, sore and tired of Fianna Fáil government. I say it because of Fianna Fáil's dismal record of house building, so dismal that certain...More Button

This reminds me of a football team that does all the pressing but the other team scores the goals.More Button

Quite recently, when the Fianna Fáil Party decided to change leadership, the imagination of the entire country was held for a few weeks in anticipation of who would succeed. We had names me...More Button

But during this period of the election of Taoiseach, some names were mentioned and certain remarks were made. Pressure groups existed. Certain Deputies in the Fianna Fáil Party were known ...More Button

We are not surprised at that because even that very Deputy wanted to join the Fine Gael Party at one stage.More Button

It is nearly impossible to make a speech with Deputy Clohessy interrupting.More Button

I shall conclude by saying that I hope the present Taoiseach will make a better job of the post than his predecessor. I hope that when the decision is his, whether it is best for the country or be...More Button

I dispute that.More Button

I sincerely hope that if it is the lot of the Taoiseach to decide about going to the country at a time when it is inopportune for Fianna Fáil to do so, he will not postpone that decision for...More Button

His predecessors made those decisions and openly admitted that the only thing they were concerned with was the future of the Fianna Fáil Party. Might I, in conclusion, say that the Fianna F...More Button

They are all provided in Great Britain.More Button