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Murphy, Paul

Tuesday, 12 July 2016

Dáil Éireann Debate
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Leaders' Questions (Resumed) (Continued)

Turn behind you.More Button

Business of Dáil (Continued)

No, it is not agreed.More Button

We are against it because it criminalises people. It is not going to deal with the problem.More Button

Order of Business (Continued)

The Cassells report was published yesterday. The Government secretly hoped that it would resolve the question or provide a basis for a resolution to that question by recommending the Government's ...More Button

What is the Government's proposed timeline for dealing with this question? If a space opens up, this is an opportunity for the student movement in particular to put pressure on all of the politi...More Button

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage

May we raise a point of order about the ruling out of order of the amendments?More Button

The amendments have been ruled out order on the basis that-----More Button

I do not understand how they can be out of order on the basis that they are in conflict with the principle of the Bill when all they do is suggest the commission should discuss the issue of water p...More Button

You are going to push ahead and we will vote on the Bill and it will then be through; therefore, it will be too late. I have never seen such a narrow interpretation of the rules. In the letter De...More Button

We would simply be adding things for the committee to discuss. How does that possibly contradict the principle of the Bill?More Button

They are.More Button

Can I read them?More Button

It is your interpretation of Standing Orders.More Button

The effect of your ruling is to give Fianna Fáil an excuse not to vote. I am not saying that was the intention in making your ruling, but it is the effect.More Button

I am not accusing you of bias.More Button

I am not accusing you of bias. We need an explanation as to why these things, including Deputy Jan O'Sullivan's amendments-----More Button

It is not a question of implementation but of interpretation.More Button

No, these are extra amendments. They relate effectively to the terms of reference of the committee and what it would deal with. We brought them forward after Committee Stage. We understand the r...More Button

Amendments Nos. 11 to 15, inclusive, 20 and 22.More Button

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (Continued)

This is the most restrictive interpretation I have ever seen. How is it possibly out of order for us to propose------More Button

No, we want to debate this.More Button

Genuinely, we want to debate these amendments which are about the expert-----More Button

No, not at all. We do not want to, genuinely. We want the expert committee to be able to look at the question of water poverty.More Button

We want the expert committee to be able to look at the issue of the suspension of water charges and water metering. We want the expert committee to be able to look at the question of refunds.More Button

That is all completely-----More Button

-----fair enough and in line with the idea that we have-----More Button

The essence of the Bill is suspension of water charges and establishing a committee to look into it. That is the essence of the Bill. All that amendments Nos. 11 to 15, inclusive, are doing is st...More Button

I move amendment No. 8:More Button

I will speak to amendments Nos. 8 and 9. It is very unfortunate these are the only amendments we are able to debate and that such a restrictive interpretation has been put on Standing Orders. Ame...More Button

So the commission is not referenced in the Bill. That was not clear obviously. The commission itself is not referenced in the Bill.More Button

They are related to the committee referred to in the Bill.More Button

In that case there is no mention whatsoever of the commission in the Bill. The commission has just been set up without reference to the House.More Button

In which case, evidently, there should be a vote on it.More Button

It was an agreement between-----More Button

Right, it is all a deal between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil. Thank you very much.More Button

It is very useful-----More Button

It is very useful if Deputy Cowen could be wound up and continue to give the game away.More Button

The reality is that they are playing a dirty game with Fine Gael to keep water charges going.More Button

Let me speak about some of the other members of the commission. We wondered why in the Bill it is referred to as a committee rather than a commission, but we presumed it was a reference to the exp...More Button

We did.More Button

The key question people will be asking, which is the point of our amendment, is why there is not a reference to the Dáil and why the Dáil does not get a vote on the members of the committee and why...More Button

I am speaking to the amendment.More Button

Let us look at some of the members of the commission.More Button

Yes.More Button

You only lost by one vote.More Button

We have Dr. Xavier Leflaive from the OECD, an agency that has consistently pushed an agenda of user fees. He has written that water pricing can be used to signal scarcity and to create incentives ...More Button

This is the Dáil. It is a platform.More Button

We are talking about the amendments here.More Button

Yes.More Button

Thank you.More Button

That is what I am speaking about. That is no problem.More Button

There is lots of time to debate this tonight.More Button

I am not going around the country.More Button

Another is Peter Peacock, who favours charges and boasts that consumer forums can help lower prices.More Button

Another is Ms Sarah Hendry, who is an academic lawyer who teaches a module on how price setting can achieve social and economic objectives. Another is Gritta Nottelman, a strategy consultant with ...More Button

The essence of the amendment, and it is fair enough that the Bill refers to the committee although I do not personally think that was clear, is that the expert commission should be subject to a v...More Button

The fact that it is set up in advance of any discussion here and of the Bill is a fundamental democratic deficit.More Button

Where was it agreed?More Button

The Minister could accept amendment No. 8.More Button

He is here.More Button

Who did you pay then?More Button

The Deputy went to an anti-water charges protest despite the fact that he is in favour of water charges.More Button

Do not go down to the protest if you are in favour of water charges.More Button

You are for water charges. What were you at the protest for?More Button

I agree with the Deputy.More Button

We agree.More Button

There is no reason they should be separate.More Button

We would like to conclude by 8 p.m.More Button

He has spoken in favour of water charges.More Button

Yes.More Button

We can see the impact the anti-water charges movement has had on politics when we look at tonight's debate. We are well down the rabbit hole.More Button

It was our amendment.More Button

This is only my second time speaking but that is okay; I am not looking for a third time.More Button

Some things emerged in the debate. Obviously, we had the highlight of Deputy Kelly agreeing with us that the water commission is a sham and that the outcome is predetermined. We had Deputy Cowen ...More Button

----- obviously, following earlier answers the Commission gave, the Government was very quick to accept an interpretation of those answers, which was somewhat belied by the text of the answers, but...More Button

We saw both the left wing and the right wing of the Healy-Rae party tonight and then we had Deputy Mattie McGrath, who was in favour of water charges,-----More Button

----- going to anti-water charges protests and then having a problem with people criticising him at those anti-water charges protests for being in favour of water charges.More Button

The essence of the amendment is a question of democracy, which this entire process is attempting to subvert. That gets to the heart of it. The points about the European Commission are very impo...More Button

The Government should not collude in, participate in and drive the process of subversion. Obviously, that is what is what is happening. In particular, it should apply to activate Article 9.4, t...More Button

We will not press amendment No. 8 but there is no reason for the Government to oppose it. By this evening, we will have passed this legislation and by definition it will come in afterwards. We ...More Button

I move amendment No. 9:More Button

Abortion Services Provision

Asked the Minister for Health: if he is satisfied that the level of abortion services provided under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2015, as recently reported to the Houses of the Oireachtas, is sufficient to guaran...More Button

Health Services Provision

Asked the Minister for Health: if he will review the outsourcing of health services to non-governmental organisations in view of an issue (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter.More Button

Teaching Qualifications

Asked the Minister for Education and Skills: if teachers registered under regulation 3 who are holders of AMI or level 7 St. Nicholas qualifications will remain unaffected by changes to these routes of registration, as per the Teaching Counci...More Button

Asked the Minister for Education and Skills: if he envisages that all of the teaching positions for special schools and special classes in mainstream schools will be filled given the intention to end the route of regulation 3 registration wit...More Button

Teachers' Panel Rights

Asked the Minister for Education and Skills: if provision will be made for those teachers who are registered under regulation 3 to gain panel access; and if he will make a statement on the matter.More Button

Military Aircraft Landings

Asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade: the number of US troops and military hardware that have used Dublin Airport in each of the years from 2001 to 2016 to date in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter.More Button

Industrial Disputes

Asked the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: if she has raised with the chief executive officer of a bank (details supplied) the failure of the bank to implement a Labour Court recommendation; and if she will make a statement on the matter.More Button

International Agreements

Asked the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: her views on whether it is appropriate for the European Commission to progress and provisionally apply the EU-Canada Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement, CETA, prior to its ratification by membe...More Button