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Corish, Brendan

Tuesday, 7 June 1966

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 223 Nbr. 1

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Unemployment Proposals.

Does the Taoiseach understand that in order to achieve the targets for employment between now and 1970 it will be necessary to create 15,000 new jobs each year?More Button

Has the Taoiseach any plans to ensure that this will be done?More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - CIE Pensions.

asked the Minister for Transport and Power if he is aware that numbers of CIE wages grade pensioners receive a pension of £1 2s. 6d. a week after 37 years service, and of £2 11s. 3d. af...More Button

Is the Minister prepared to make a recommendation to the pensions board of CIE that the pensions be upped? Does he still say that in assessing the pensions of CIE employees there should be a means...More Button

I did not say that. The Minister's case is that the pensions are adequate because they have sufficient to make them up from the contributory old age pensions.More Button

Does the Minister say that after 37 years service it is right that a man should receive a pension of a mere 22/6d a week? Would he compare that with the pension allowed to the ex-Chairman of CIE o...More Button

Not at all.More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Children's Allowances.

That is subject to a means test at present?More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Bank Strike.

There is no suggestion by the Minister that he will introduce legislation to fine this trade union if they refuse to accept the award?More Button

Yes.More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Imported Timber.

asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce if he is aware of the operation of a system of restrictive trade practices involving the import of timber by means of which the Timber Trade Federation...More Button

I have no intention of doing that. Could the Minister not make an inquiry himself?More Button

Has the Minister caused any investigations to be made to discover whether or not this Order is abided by?More Button

He just makes the Order and sits back.More Button

I am not going to do the Minister's job for him.More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Honey Imports.

asked the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries what licences have been issued for the importation of honey during 1965 and 1966; to whom such licences were issued; and what steps are taken by hi...More Button

Electricity (Special Provisions) Bill, 1966: Allocation of Time.

I want to register a strong protest against the terms of this motion. This is not the first time the present Government attempted to introduce — regrettably but unsuccessfully — what i...More Button

Deputy Cosgrave and I, being Leaders of Parties, are in the position that we were acquainted late yesterday afternoon with the contents of this Bill; but I do not think the Government can afford to...More Button

This is an absolute guillotine and curtailment of debate. As far as our Party are concerned, no matter what the decision on this motion is, we propose to discuss it as far as ever we can. I do no...More Button

This is an important and unprecedented measure as far as freedom of action by the individual and by the trade union movement is concerned. It may be quite a popular thing for the Taoiseach to do in...More Button

This Bill interferes with the right of trade unions and the rights of their individual members. This motion interferes with the rights of Deputies. I have heard Deputy Dillon on many occasions ta...More Button

The Taoiseach may feel there was urgency in this. On the introduction of legislation to do certain other good things, we protested there was urgency. For example, we advocated in respect of Budget...More Button

The Minister for Transport and Power could have acted.More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

Then, adjourn it.More Button

The Deputy suggested we should adjourn to consider the Bill.More Button

We are not going to be a party to any agreement whereby the discussion on the Bill will be curtailed to x, y or z hours.More Button

We should, I think, get this clear. I do not care what the mechanics are about adjournment and so on, but, as far as my Party are concerned, we will not agree to a curtailment of debate.More Button

Let the Taoiseach take his responsibility and vote accordingly, with Fine Gael. We will vote our way.More Button

Electricity (Special Provisions) Bill, 1966: First Stage.

I do not know whether anything formal has been put, but, as far as we are concerned, we agree that the First Reading of the Bill should be taken now and we can subsequently discuss any motion and t...More Button

Committee on Finance. - Electricity (Special Provisions) Bill, 1966: Allocation of Time.

It is clear to us that if this were put to a vote, the vast majority of the Members of the House would vote for a guillotine at 10.30 tonight. The Taoiseach knows our attitude—the same as it...More Button

This debate will continue until what time?More Button

Committee on Finance. - Electricity (Special Provisions) Bill, 1966: Second Stage.

On a point of order, this Bill has been more or less, for the want of another expression, rushed through and about threequarters of an hour ago I handed in an amendment to the office of the Ceann ...More Button

This was handed in——More Button

Rubbish.More Button

(Interruptions.)More Button

I adopted a similar procedure in 1961 and it was accepted by the House. I am doing the very same now.More Button

The Deputy is getting very touchy.More Button

I want to assure——More Button

I want to assure the House, if assurance is needed, that this was done immediately after the members of my Party saw the text of the Bill. Whether you want to describe that, as Deputy Dillon descr...More Button

To delete all words after “That” and substitute the following: “the Dáil declines to give a Second Reading to the Bill on the grounds that it deliberately abolishes the fundamental rights of...More Button

First of all, I want to refer to something the Taoiseach said, by way of interjection, with regard to the time limit on this motion. He said, and rightly so, that he had informed Deputy Cosgrave a...More Button

We decided that, rather than take a curtailment at half-past ten, we should go on and agree to the consideration of the Bill until four o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Having regard to our special rel...More Button

I cannot understand the attitude of the Government in this matter. The Taoiseach was accused today of making a very skimpy speech. The same accusation can be levelled against the Minister for Ind...More Button

There is no point, I suppose, in protesting against the short notification we had, but I do not know how long this legislation has been in contemplation by the Fianna Fáil Government. I am s...More Button

Our attitude towards this sort of legislation is the same as it was in 1961. I can talk, I think, in this for the Irish Congress of Trade Unions which were not, as a body, apprised of this legislat...More Button

The Taoiseach said: “Your blood be on your own heads, if you vote against this and your blood be on your own heads, if you do not give us this Bill within a certain time.” We appreciate, perhaps m...More Button

This legislation seeks to deprive the individual of his right to withdraw his labour. That right will be taken away under this Bill in certain circumstances. Mark you, people may be under the impr...More Button

Who is to determine that?More Button

The Government will determine that. I believe we are giving them too much power in this Bill to invoke this Order any time they like. This Bill provides in respect of a person who goes on strike o...More Button

Some people would say this is a panic measure. It may have been a panic measure in 1961 but, in my opinion, this is not a panic measure. This is a measure that has been fairly well thought out by ...More Button

The Taoiseach said recently in a statement to the members of his Party that he believes that industrial relations—I do not pretend to quote him exactly—cannot be legislated for entirely...More Button

There are some questions we ought to ask in respect of this dispute in an effort to discover whether or not the action now contemplated is justified. We have not heard from the Minister for Industr...More Button

We agree that this is one of the most serious types of strike we could have, if not, in fact, the most serious, but we resent this Bill because we believe the Government are establishing it as a pr...More Button

The Taoiseach did not use those words but that is what he meant. I believe, also, that in recent times there has been pressure on the Government by the Federated Union of Employers to promote legi...More Button

I do not think the Government can disclaim entire responsibility for what has happened. There is no point in saying that the trade unions and the ESB failed to agree. The Minister for Industry an...More Button

Compare our situation with the situation in Great Britain where, when a major dispute occurs, as in the case of the present seamen's strike, the Minister for Labour there has tried by every possibl...More Button

It has been represented to the public that this has been a lightning strike. As in practically every dispute, particularly with those who are anti-trade union, those who just do not care appear alw...More Button

In February, 1965, nearly 16 months ago, an official ban on overtime was imposed by the engineering unions but this did not alter the attitude of the ESB to the members' claim. On no occasion did ...More Button

The Minister for Industry and Commerce, his predecessors in this Government, and the Taoiseach, have talked about a revision of the Labour Court and the Industrial Relations Act. This is all we hav...More Button

Some State bodies, particularly the ESB, are notorious for their bad public relations. We have seen this not alone with the ESB but with CIE and other State companies. This is something for which...More Button

The semi-State bodies seem to be inconsistent in their attitude to workers and the problems which now beset the ESB and the engineering unions. Practically the same type of claim as that made by th...More Button

I do not know what happened to the 1961 Act. The Taoiseach and the Minister for Industry and Commerce at the time lauded this to the Dáil as something which would prevent the situation we h...More Button

That tribunal made a recommendation. I do not know whether the Minister for Transport and Power is conversant with it or whether, because the dispute was settled in a matter of a few days, he belie...More Button

Great emphasis has been placed on the importance of having these fitters at work. I think they are important but I think also the ESB should recognise they are important. We are prepared to pay b...More Button

We have got our values wrong, not alone in respect of the ESB but in respect of other sections of the economy. Would the Minister not agree that those on whom the running of the economy depends sh...More Button

Can the Minister for Transport and Power explain to me the stupidity of the members of the ESB Board who would, for reasons best known to themselves, deprive what are regarded as very important ope...More Button

When we think in terms of industrial relations and industrial unrest, we should more often—the Minister has done it at times but not often enough— balance the criticism of one side as a...More Button

Let us look at the consequences of this legislation. I do not think that legislation like this, which is repressive, is going to create goodwill between the trade unions and the employing section....More Button

This sort of problem is not, I am sure, peculiar to Ireland. I am sure this is not the first strike which hit electricity supplies in the western world or in the world as a whole. We have been ta...More Button

Yes.More Button

I should be glad to hear all about it. In Britain there is a seamen's dispute which is having a very adverse affect on the economy in Britain. It has hit their exports and the economy in general....More Button

The seamen in Great Britain can remain on strike. Does the Taoiseach know whether there is, within the emergency resolution which was passed in the British House of Commons, power for the British ...More Button

I do not know. Maybe the Taoiseach is only chancing his arm. I do not say he is. I should like to see them.More Button

The ESB is a vital service, no matter what our walk of life may be, but all strikes are serious and can affect the economy. If it is the ESB today, it may be transport tomorrow. The Taoiseach wit...More Button

There have been other strikes, in building, and so on. These could all be described as essential services. What will be the situation if the Minister for Health does not get agreement with the me...More Button

What steps have the Government taken in order to ensure that there might be a solution to the strike of the bank officials? Have they any comment on these things? Have they any comment on the fac...More Button

I believe that industrial relations should be cultivated rather than legislated for. We always think of industrial relations in this country when we have industrial disputes. In January, 1964&mda...More Button

It was going on for two and a half years. I do not think this is the right atmosphere in which to introduce legislation which will be opposed by every trade unionist in the country. What we are t...More Button

It is relatively easy to write this Bill but its operation will be another thing. I suggest, therefore, that what should have been done and what still can be done by the Government and the Minister...More Button

Has the Taoiseach any comment to make on the recommendation of the Commission of 1961?More Button

Where did the Taoiseach get that idea?More Button

It is a very expensive fairy wand.More Button

Was it tried?More Button

It was not tried.More Button

But you do not want the best fitters?More Button

We are told we are taking very unpopular action.More Button