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Public Sector Pay and Conditions: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members] (Continued)

Wednesday, 24 April 2013

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 800 No. 4

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  9 o’clock

(Speaker Continuing)

[Deputy Sean Fleming: Information on Seán Fleming Zoom on Seán Fleming] The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform has complicated matters by confirming since the deal was rejected that there will be permanent changes affecting the pay and hours of work of staff at the lower pay levels in the public service, whereas the cuts for the majority of those on salaries above €65,000 will be reversed. There are temporary cuts for higher earning staff, while there are permanent cuts for those on lower wages.

Fairness is the key. The motion calls for three simple steps: immediate engagement by the Government with public sector employees with a view to securing a balanced agreement that could secure widespread support among public sector employees - I do not see the problem with this and do not understand how anybody could; confirmation that the Government will not legislate for an across the board 7% pay cut - I cannot see how it could do this if it is asking Mr. Kieran Mulvey to examine the matter; and a commitment to full disclosure of all correspondence that has not been made public and which was issued as part of the proposed deal to various trade unions. I cannot understand how everybody in the House could not agree to this. I, therefore, call on the Government parties to support the motion.

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 81; Níl, 48.

Níl
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Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard. Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John.
Information on Ray Butler  Zoom on Ray Butler  Butler, Ray. Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara.
Information on Jerry Buttimer  Zoom on Jerry Buttimer  Buttimer, Jerry. Information on Joan Collins  Zoom on Joan Collins  Collins, Joan.
Information on Catherine Byrne  Zoom on Catherine Byrne  Byrne, Catherine. Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall.
Information on Eric J. Byrne  Zoom on Eric J. Byrne  Byrne, Eric. Information on Michael Colreavy  Zoom on Michael Colreavy  Colreavy, Michael.
Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe. Information on Seán Crowe  Zoom on Seán Crowe  Crowe, Seán.
Information on Paudie Coffey  Zoom on Paudie Coffey  Coffey, Paudie. Information on Clare Daly  Zoom on Clare Daly  Daly, Clare.
Information on Michael Conaghan  Zoom on Michael Conaghan  Conaghan, Michael. Information on Pearse Doherty  Zoom on Pearse Doherty  Doherty, Pearse.
Information on Sean Conlan  Zoom on Sean Conlan  Conlan, Seán. Information on Stephen Donnelly  Zoom on Stephen Donnelly  Donnelly, Stephen S.
Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul J. Information on Timmy Dooley  Zoom on Timmy Dooley  Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Ciara Conway  Zoom on Ciara Conway  Conway, Ciara. Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  Ellis, Dessie.
Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon. Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.
Information on Jim Daly  Zoom on Jim Daly  Daly, Jim. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Sean.
Information on John Deasy  Zoom on John Deasy  Deasy, John. Information on Tom Fleming  Zoom on Tom Fleming  Fleming, Tom.
Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Patrick Deering  Zoom on Patrick Deering  Deering, Pat. Information on John Halligan  Zoom on John Halligan  Halligan, John.
Information on Regina Doherty  Zoom on Regina Doherty  Doherty, Regina. Information on Seamus Healy  Zoom on Seamus Healy  Healy, Seamus.
Information on Paschal Donohoe  Zoom on Paschal Donohoe  Donohoe, Paschal. Information on Michael Healy-Rae  Zoom on Michael Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Michael.
Information on Robert Dowds  Zoom on Robert Dowds  Dowds, Robert. Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael.
Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J. Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Charlie McConalogue  Zoom on Charlie McConalogue  McConalogue, Charlie.
Information on Alan Farrell  Zoom on Alan Farrell  Farrell, Alan. Information on Mary Lou McDonald  Zoom on Mary Lou McDonald  McDonald, Mary Lou.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie.
Information on Anne Ferris  Zoom on Anne Ferris  Ferris, Anne. Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael.
Information on Frances Fitzgerald  Zoom on Frances Fitzgerald  Fitzgerald, Frances. Information on Sandra McLellan  Zoom on Sandra McLellan  McLellan, Sandra.
Information on Peter Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Peter Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Peter. Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Martin, Micheál.
Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles. Information on Catherine Murphy  Zoom on Catherine Murphy  Murphy, Catherine.
Information on Brendan Griffin  Zoom on Brendan Griffin  Griffin, Brendan. Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis.
Information on Noel Harrington  Zoom on Noel Harrington  Harrington, Noel. Information on Patrick Nulty  Zoom on Patrick Nulty  Nulty, Patrick.
Information on Simon Harris  Zoom on Simon Harris  Harris, Simon. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon.
Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Martin Heydon  Zoom on Martin Heydon  Heydon, Martin. Information on Aengus Ó Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus Ó Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Phil Hogan  Zoom on Phil Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Jonathan O'Brien  Zoom on Jonathan O'Brien  O'Brien, Jonathan.
Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O'Dea, Willie.
Information on Heather Humphreys  Zoom on Heather Humphreys  Humphreys, Heather. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O'Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Kevin Humphreys  Zoom on Kevin Humphreys  Humphreys, Kevin. Information on Thomas Pringle  Zoom on Thomas Pringle  Pringle, Thomas.
Information on Derek Keating  Zoom on Derek Keating  Keating, Derek. Information on Shane P.N. Ross  Zoom on Shane P.N. Ross  Ross, Shane.
Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul. Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín.
Information on Seán Kenny  Zoom on Seán Kenny  Kenny, Seán. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Seán Kyne  Zoom on Seán Kyne  Kyne, Seán. Information on Brian Stanley  Zoom on Brian Stanley  Stanley, Brian.
Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen. Information on Peadar Tóibín  Zoom on Peadar Tóibín  Tóibín, Peadar.
Information on John Lyons  Zoom on John Lyons  Lyons, John. Information on Robert Troy  Zoom on Robert Troy  Troy, Robert.
Information on Helen McEntee  Zoom on Helen McEntee  McEntee, Helen. Information on Mick Wallace  Zoom on Mick Wallace  Wallace, Mick.
Information on Dinny McGinley  Zoom on Dinny McGinley  McGinley, Dinny.  
Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe.  
Information on Tony McLoughlin  Zoom on Tony McLoughlin  McLoughlin, Tony.  
Information on Michael McNamara  Zoom on Michael McNamara  McNamara, Michael.  
Information on Eamonn Maloney  Zoom on Eamonn Maloney  Maloney, Eamonn.  
Information on Peter Mathews  Zoom on Peter Mathews  Mathews, Peter.  
Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  Mitchell, Olivia.  
Information on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Zoom on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.  
Information on Michelle Mulherin  Zoom on Michelle Mulherin  Mulherin, Michelle.  
Information on Eoghan Murphy  Zoom on Eoghan Murphy  Murphy, Eoghan.  
Information on Gerald Nash  Zoom on Gerald Nash  Nash, Gerald.  
Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan.  
Information on Derek Nolan  Zoom on Derek Nolan  Nolan, Derek.  
Information on Michael Noonan  Zoom on Michael Noonan  Noonan, Michael.  
Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O'Donnell, Kieran.  
Information on Patrick O'Donovan  Zoom on Patrick O'Donovan  O'Donovan, Patrick.  
Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O'Dowd, Fergus.  
Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O'Mahony, John.  
Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.  
Information on Ann Phelan  Zoom on Ann Phelan  Phelan, Ann.  
Information on James Reilly  Zoom on James Reilly  Reilly, James.  
Information on Michael Ring  Zoom on Michael Ring  Ring, Michael.  
Information on Brendan Ryan  Zoom on Brendan Ryan  Ryan, Brendan.  
Information on Arthur Spring  Zoom on Arthur Spring  Spring, Arthur.  
Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet.  
Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David.  
Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy.  
Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna.  
Information on Liam Twomey  Zoom on Liam Twomey  Twomey, Liam.  
Information on Leo Varadkar  Zoom on Leo Varadkar  Varadkar, Leo.  
Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.  
Information on Brian Walsh  Zoom on Brian Walsh  Walsh, Brian.  
Information on Alex White  Zoom on Alex White  White, Alex.  

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg; Níl, Deputies Seán Ó Fearghaíl and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.

Amendment declared carried.

Question put: "That the motion, as amended, be agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 80; Níl, 47.

Níl
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Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard. Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John.
Information on Ray Butler  Zoom on Ray Butler  Butler, Ray. Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara.
Information on Jerry Buttimer  Zoom on Jerry Buttimer  Buttimer, Jerry. Information on Joan Collins  Zoom on Joan Collins  Collins, Joan.
Information on Catherine Byrne  Zoom on Catherine Byrne  Byrne, Catherine. Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall.
Information on Eric J. Byrne  Zoom on Eric J. Byrne  Byrne, Eric. Information on Michael Colreavy  Zoom on Michael Colreavy  Colreavy, Michael.
Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe. Information on Seán Crowe  Zoom on Seán Crowe  Crowe, Seán.
Information on Paudie Coffey  Zoom on Paudie Coffey  Coffey, Paudie. Information on Clare Daly  Zoom on Clare Daly  Daly, Clare.
Information on Michael Conaghan  Zoom on Michael Conaghan  Conaghan, Michael. Information on Pearse Doherty  Zoom on Pearse Doherty  Doherty, Pearse.
Information on Sean Conlan  Zoom on Sean Conlan  Conlan, Seán. Information on Stephen Donnelly  Zoom on Stephen Donnelly  Donnelly, Stephen S.
Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul J. Information on Timmy Dooley  Zoom on Timmy Dooley  Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Ciara Conway  Zoom on Ciara Conway  Conway, Ciara. Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  Ellis, Dessie.
Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon. Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.
Information on Jim Daly  Zoom on Jim Daly  Daly, Jim. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Sean.
Information on John Deasy  Zoom on John Deasy  Deasy, John. Information on Tom Fleming  Zoom on Tom Fleming  Fleming, Tom.
Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Patrick Deering  Zoom on Patrick Deering  Deering, Pat. Information on John Halligan  Zoom on John Halligan  Halligan, John.
Information on Regina Doherty  Zoom on Regina Doherty  Doherty, Regina. Information on Seamus Healy  Zoom on Seamus Healy  Healy, Seamus.
Information on Paschal Donohoe  Zoom on Paschal Donohoe  Donohoe, Paschal. Information on Michael Healy-Rae  Zoom on Michael Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Michael.
Information on Robert Dowds  Zoom on Robert Dowds  Dowds, Robert. Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael.
Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J. Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Charlie McConalogue  Zoom on Charlie McConalogue  McConalogue, Charlie.
Information on Alan Farrell  Zoom on Alan Farrell  Farrell, Alan. Information on Mary Lou McDonald  Zoom on Mary Lou McDonald  McDonald, Mary Lou.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie.
Information on Anne Ferris  Zoom on Anne Ferris  Ferris, Anne. Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael.
Information on Frances Fitzgerald  Zoom on Frances Fitzgerald  Fitzgerald, Frances. Information on Sandra McLellan  Zoom on Sandra McLellan  McLellan, Sandra.
Information on Peter Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Peter Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Peter. Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Martin, Micheál.
Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles. Information on Catherine Murphy  Zoom on Catherine Murphy  Murphy, Catherine.
Information on Brendan Griffin  Zoom on Brendan Griffin  Griffin, Brendan. Information on Patrick Nulty  Zoom on Patrick Nulty  Nulty, Patrick.
Information on Noel Harrington  Zoom on Noel Harrington  Harrington, Noel. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Simon Harris  Zoom on Simon Harris  Harris, Simon. Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom. Information on Aengus Ó Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus Ó Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Martin Heydon  Zoom on Martin Heydon  Heydon, Martin. Information on Jonathan O'Brien  Zoom on Jonathan O'Brien  O'Brien, Jonathan.
Information on Phil Hogan  Zoom on Phil Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O'Dea, Willie.
Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O'Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Heather Humphreys  Zoom on Heather Humphreys  Humphreys, Heather. Information on Thomas Pringle  Zoom on Thomas Pringle  Pringle, Thomas.
Information on Kevin Humphreys  Zoom on Kevin Humphreys  Humphreys, Kevin. Information on Shane P.N. Ross  Zoom on Shane P.N. Ross  Ross, Shane.
Information on Derek Keating  Zoom on Derek Keating  Keating, Derek. Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín.
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Information on Seán Kyne  Zoom on Seán Kyne  Kyne, Seán. Information on Peadar Tóibín  Zoom on Peadar Tóibín  Tóibín, Peadar.
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Information on Dinny McGinley  Zoom on Dinny McGinley  McGinley, Dinny.  
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Information on Eamonn Maloney  Zoom on Eamonn Maloney  Maloney, Eamonn.  
Information on Peter Mathews  Zoom on Peter Mathews  Mathews, Peter.  
Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  Mitchell, Olivia.  
Information on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Zoom on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.  
Information on Michelle Mulherin  Zoom on Michelle Mulherin  Mulherin, Michelle.  
Information on Eoghan Murphy  Zoom on Eoghan Murphy  Murphy, Eoghan.  
Information on Gerald Nash  Zoom on Gerald Nash  Nash, Gerald.  
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Tellers: Tá, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg; Níl, Deputies Seán Ó Fearghaíl and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.

Question declared carried.

  The Dáil adjourned at 9.20 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 25 April 2013.


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