Order of Business (Continued)

Tuesday, 19 February 2013

Seanad Éireann Debate

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[Senator Colm Burke: Information on Colm Burke Zoom on Colm Burke] In fairness to the Courts Service, it is doing everything possible to try to prioritise issues and cases. However, the delays are causing considerable problems. This needs to be dealt with at a very early date. If we need a constitutional amendment to create a court of civil appeal, we should make it. The last thing we need is a three or four year delay between dealing with a case in the High Court and its admission to the Supreme Court. This issue needs to be tackled with as much urgency as possible.

  A large number of cases in the Supreme Court involve lay litigants, which is causing problems. I have no difficulty with lay litigants – people acting for themselves – but the procedure is not straightforward, thereby causing complications. People may not fully understand the procedure involved. We need to consider this issue if we are setting up a court of civil appeal with a view to having cases dealt with at an early date, rather than having prolonged delays in dealing with them. I ask that the Minister for Justice and Equality take on board the comments being made.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Senator Darragh O'Brien asked that the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Alan Shatter, come to the House. The Minister was here for the Senator's Private Members' motion a couple of weeks ago.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien That is true.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins The Senator and his colleagues will have another opportunity next week during Private Members' time.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien If the Minister will not come, we will do what we did again.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Fianna Fáil has it in its power to bring the Minister into the House.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien I thank the Leader for his direction.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins I am sure the Senator will avail of the opportunity.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien I certainly will.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins I remind Members on the other side of the House that Fianna Fáil's national recovery plan and Garda plan allocated €90 million less for the Garda last year and this year. The Members opposite are talking out of both sides of the their mouths when they say more money should be allocated for the Garda.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien No, we are not. The Minister has lost the confidence of gardaí.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Fianna Fáil had an opportunity for 14 years.

An Cathaoirleach: Information on Paddy Burke Zoom on Paddy Burke The Leader to continue, without interruption.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Others are talking about benchmarking, while Senator Mark Daly referred to taking money from gardaí. Fianna Fáil took 14% from all public servants-----

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien Under the Croke Park agreement.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins -----including gardaí, ambulance personnel and all of the others about whom the Senator is speaking.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien Yes, we did.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins We do not all suffer from amnesia on this side of the House.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien I do not either.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins The general public, irrespective of whether support for Fianna Fáil is running at 27%, will not forget that either.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien They certainly will not forget what the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Alan Shatter is doing.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Fianna Fáil is speaking out of both sides of its mouth the whole time. Some €180 million less was provided for the Garda by Fianna Fáil.

(Interruptions).

An Cathaoirleach: Information on Paddy Burke Zoom on Paddy Burke The Leader to continue, without interruption.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Fianna Fáil is holding public meetings telling people that there will be less money for the Garda.

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien The Senator’s party is in government.

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Members on the other side of the House obviously do not like to hear the truth. That is the truth of the matter. It is a bit rich coming from Fianna Fáil when it provided for such cuts. To have to listen to that tripe is absolutely ridiculous.

(Interruptions).

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien Just listen to gardaí.

An Cathaoirleach: Information on Paddy Burke Zoom on Paddy Burke May we listen to the Leader without interruption, please?

Senator Darragh O'Brien: Information on Darragh O'Brien Zoom on Darragh O'Brien Certainly.

Senator David Norris: Information on David P.B. Norris Zoom on David P.B. Norris That is splendid, but is it an answer?

An Cathaoirleach: Information on Paddy Burke Zoom on Paddy Burke The Leader is replying to the House.

Senator Jim Walsh: Information on Jim Walsh Zoom on Jim Walsh Senators should read the back of the Sunday Independent.

A Senator: Who would be reading that old rubbish?

Senator Maurice Cummins: Information on Maurice Cummins Zoom on Maurice Cummins Senator Darragh O’Brien asked about the Mangan report. I have arranged for the Minister to come to the House next Tuesday and Wednesday to debate it.

  Senators Ivana Bacik, Jillian van Turnhout, Aideen Hayden and many others referred to the report on the Magdalen laundries. I have arranged for a debate on it next Wednesday.

  Senator Jillian van Turnhout also referred to the Mangan report and the leaking of reports. I agree totally with her. There have been a number of leaks about various reports. There were leaks on the Mangan report, as well as on the HSE report in Galway last week. Such leaks should be investigated thoroughly by the Garda because they assist nobody.

  I will find out for Senator Jillian van Turnhout exactly when the family leave Bill will be brought to the House. It is on the list.


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