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Criminal Procedure Bill 2021: Report and Final Stages (Continued)

Thursday, 11 March 2021

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 1005 No. 2

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(Speaker Continuing)

[Deputy Mattie McGrath: Information on Mattie McGrath Zoom on Mattie McGrath] I wish the Minister well over the next six months. I also wish the Minister, Deputy Humphreys, the best. I just got the despatch letting me know that Deputy Humphreys is taking over. I do not know if she will be keeping her current responsibilities as well because the position of Minister for Justice is onerous and there is a lot of work to be done in that area. I wish her very well and Godspeed.

Deputy Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Information on Jennifer Carroll MacNeill Zoom on Jennifer Carroll MacNeill I will just make a couple of quick points. Deputy Howlin is absolutely right about the statute law revision project. The work of Alma Clissman in the Law Reform Commission must also be noted. The commission has restated the law correctly and brought it up to date. There is a way to go even further. The law is presented but one can see all the amendments which have been made, these being colour-coded. This was done in England and Wales. There are also links to the Acts under which these amendments were made and to the statutory instruments. We are beginning that work now. The next step is to provide links to court judgments.

With regard to what Deputy Mattie McGrath said about the review and the Children (Amendment) Bill 2020, I am not sure that we would have caught this issue. The issue came to light in a hard case in which the director took a particular position. I do not know that, in reviewing the Bill, I would have caught that practical problem which I could not have foreseen when the Bill was being drafted and going through the House. Equally, I do not believe I would have had the insight to be able to catch that issue as part of a review process. The court, however, did and the Oireachtas is fixing the issue in question, as is appropriate. We will talk about that later.

There are other review mechanisms. I have done work in the area of judicial appointments. I have constantly made the point that, although the Act establishing the Judicial Appointments Advisory Board was enacted in 1995, the Oireachtas committee did not take the opportunity to review the board's operation until 2016 and 2017. The board had never really operated as laid out in the Act. In fact, major changes had been made with no recourse to the Oireachtas. It operated completely differently from the way envisaged in the legislation and this was not even reported to the Oireachtas, which originally enacted the legislation.

These errors can go everywhere. I recall a judgment of the High Court in 2009 based on an application made under the Prevention of Electoral Abuses Act 1923 in respect of an incident relating to a politician. A court order was made on foot of this application but the section under which it was made had actually been repealed in the Electoral Act 1963. In that case, everybody got it wrong, including the judge, the lawyers and everyone else. It caused a whole new set of problems for all of the people involved. It just goes to show how badly the law had been presented that an error of that kind could be made in that court.

Deputy Helen McEntee: Information on Helen McEntee Zoom on Helen McEntee I stress that I agree with all Deputies in this House on the need to review the way in which legislation is monitored, reviewed and managed after its enactment. Until that is done, however, it would be inappropriate to specify that a review be carried out after three years, as this amendment seeks to do. The example of the Children's Act 2001 has been used. If that Bill had been reviewed after three years, I am not sure that the issue which has suddenly arisen in the last few months would have been identified. It is important that there be flexibility as this law is embedded. I appreciate that we do not have jury trials at the moment as a result of level 5 restrictions. We hope things will start moving as quickly as possible this year. Flexibility is required to allow us to monitor, adapt and change legislation when necessary, rather than through a specific review after three years. These are the concerns I have with specific regard to this legislation. It will not be fully embedded after three years. The impression might be given that these changes are temporary or that they will go away if one waits long enough. We need to continue to apply flexibility, particularly with regard to this legislation, which is important and which will be monitored and reviewed from the moment it is enacted. I fully agree there is a need for the Committee on Standing Orders and Dáil Reform to look at the general issue of post-enactment reviews of how legislation is being implemented and whether it is working. I fully support movement in that direction.

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 54; Níl, 81; Staon, 0.

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Tellers: Tá, Deputies Catherine Connolly and Thomas Pringle; Níl, Deputies Brendan Griffin and Jack Chambers.

Amendment declared lost.

  Bill received for final consideration and passed.

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