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Business of Dáil (Continued)

Wednesday, 6 December 2017

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 962 No. 7

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(Speaker Continuing)

[Deputy Seamus Healy: Information on Seamus Healy Zoom on Seamus Healy] Given the issues that arise regarding housing, health and other public services, those services could well do with the money rather than having it paid to the arms industry.

I oppose this. It is only fair and reasonable that the public have its say, be made knowledgeable and be allowed to scrutinise this issue over time. I expect that this matter will be deferred until the new year to allow for the public discussion and debate.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl I have a point to make before I ask the Taoiseach to clarify the process and procedure. The proposal, or part thereof, before us is to refer the motion to the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs Trade and Defence. That is absolutely in accordance with Standing Order 187. It is a matter for the joint committee to determine how it conducts its consideration of the matter referred to it. It is not normal for this House to direct the committee to behave in a particular manner.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus Ó Snodaigh Zoom on Aengus Ó Snodaigh On a point of order, if we adopt this, we are expecting the committee to deal with it before tomorrow. We are already setting a deadline for tomorrow.

Deputy Brendan Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin Zoom on Brendan Howlin That is impossible.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus Ó Snodaigh Zoom on Aengus Ó Snodaigh We are limiting the time of the committee. This is beyond the fact that we were told there would be two hours in committee. Even if the committee sat all through the night until it reported back to the Dáil, it would be a case of the Dáil setting a time for it to engage in its consideration.

Deputy Brendan Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin Zoom on Brendan Howlin The very thing the Ceann Comhairle said cannot be done.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus Ó Snodaigh Zoom on Aengus Ó Snodaigh It would not be allowing the committee to consider properly how to engage in detailed scrutiny.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl I am outlining to the House what I consider to be a reasonable interpretation of the Standing Orders, as they are written. How the Deputy would like them to be is a different matter. I am interpreting them as they are.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett May we table amendments to the Government's proposal?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl The Deputy may.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett I formally move amendment No. 1:

That the matter be referred to the committee for next week and that no vote take place in the Dáil until the new year.

The Taoiseach: Information on Leo Varadkar Zoom on Leo Varadkar This is not a new issue. If somebody arrived in the Visitors Gallery today or were tuning in to these policy matter discussions for the first time, he or she would think PESCO had just been dreamt up in the past couple of months. This is in the Lisbon treaty. The treaty was ratified by the Irish people in 2009. There has been ample opportunity for a debate since then. There has been plenty of debate about this matter since the Lisbon treaty was ratified in 2009. There is a time for debate and there is a time for a decision. I do not believe further debate would change anybody's mind, nor would it allay fears based on any conspiracy theories.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton Zoom on Joan Burton That is wrong.

The Taoiseach: Information on Leo Varadkar Zoom on Leo Varadkar The time is for a decision is now. Let us make it.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett The public knows nothing about this.

The Taoiseach: Information on Leo Varadkar Zoom on Leo Varadkar It is the Deputy's responsibility to inform the public. He had eight years.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl There is a proposal made by Deputy Boyd Barrett to refer the matter to the joint committee for next week and defer the taking of a vote until the new year. That is a legitimate amendment to the Government's proposal. I will deal with it now.

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 49; Níl, 73; Staon, 0.

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Tellers: Tá, Deputies Richard Boyd Barrett and Aengus Ó Snodaigh; Níl, Deputies Joe McHugh and Tony McLoughlin.

Amendment declared lost.

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