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27/06/2013 [Bills] Thairgeadh an tairiscint seo ar Dé Céadaoin, 26 Meitheamh 2013:
Go léifear an Bille an Dara hUair anois.
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27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the House.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [460]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the House for this very important debate. As we face into the referendum on the Seanad, it is important to be mindful that it is part of our parliamentary system that has faced an uncertain future on more than one occasion. The first national assembly...[...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [460]
27/06/2013 [Bills] In a dramatic move at a Fine Gael dinner in October 2009, Enda Kenny, then in opposition, committed his party to abolishing Seanad Éireann if he became Taoiseach. He said: "I have come to the conclusion that a second house of the Oireachtas can no longer be justified". As far as I am aware...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [462]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Senator O'Donnell, on a point of order.[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] It is interesting that there are only seven people in the Chamber, all of whom are women.[O'Donnell, Marie-Louise]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Is that a point of order or is-----[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] There are eight, and if one includes the Acting Chairman, there are nine.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Yes but the House does not have a quorum and-----[O'Donnell, Marie-Louise]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] ----- the Senator calling for a quorum?[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] The glass ceiling has been shattered.[Hayes, Brian]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] -----I wish to call for a quorum on this most important topic.[O'Donnell, Marie-Louise]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the Chamber on what probably is the most important and significant debate in the life of this House. The Minister of State has taken a particular interest in this House and Members have noted his willingness to attend the House and to be present for debate...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Do Members need friends like this?[Hayes, Brian]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [463]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Noone, Catherine]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [466]
27/06/2013 [Bills] A "No" vote would be a vote for reform. I do not believe anyone stands over the Seanad as it is currently constituted. I urge the Taoiseach to commit to bringing the matter to the Constitutional Convention.[Hayden, Aideen]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [466]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Because of Enda.[Norris, David]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [467]
27/06/2013 [Bills] After two years I ask myself if I have a single example to show the Irish people outside of Senator Norris of how we make a defined and defining difference. We better as new Senators answer that question very quickly. Where are the great checks and balances on the great Lower House power g...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [467]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Most people in the House when they ran for election to the Seanad knew about this referendum and that the Taoiseach was committed to it. I do not see any point in debating about reform because it is long over. There were ten reports and nothing was done. The Taoiseach is putting a...[Henr...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [468]
27/06/2013 [Bills] The Senator is a drug dealer. It is a legal drug but alcohol is a significant drug.[Norris, David]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [468]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I am very proud to be in this House as representative of the Vintners' Federation of Ireland.[Henry, Imelda]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [469]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I know. There is nothing wrong with it, but it is a drug.[Norris, David]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [469]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I wanted it put on the record because he has a difficulty with me being in here. I hope we get back to the day where people can drink and will go back to the pubs to drink in a controlled environment. I have worked closely with the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health and Children, as the ...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [469]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I shivered when I saw this lamentable Bill in print. There should have been two Bills and it was dishonest for there not to be. This Bill does one thing very specifically and clearly. It is not a Bill to facilitate the holding of a referendum; no decent person could vote against a Bill th...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [469]
27/06/2013 [Bills] That was my point.[O'Donnell, Marie-Louise]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [471]
27/06/2013 [Bills] The Chair is loath to intervene-----[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [471]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Then he should not do so.[Norris, David]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [471]
27/06/2013 [Bills] -----but I must remind Senator Norris that his time is up.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [471]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I cannot believe the unspeakable dishonesty of this speech. He is going to look at the Presidency and reduce the number of Members of the Oireachtas required to nominate a Presidential candidate to 14. Will he listen to the voice of the people, this wonderful democrat, this absolute democr...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [471]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister to the House. I am pleased that this Bill is being given adequate time to be debated in this House. I have listened with interest to the speeches already made on the issue and would like to make a number of points in response. First, I wish to address the speech del...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [472]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. Ní haon locht air é nuair a deirim gur trua é nach bhfuil an Taoiseach anseo leis an díospóireacht seo a chloisteáil. Nuair a bhí mé ag caint inné, dúirt mé nach bhfuil dabht ar bith ann go mbíonn Taoiseach na tíre gnóthach, ach i ndáiríre tá sé ábalta am...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [473]
27/06/2013 [Bills] You have been guessing figures all your lives as a party.[Landy, Denis]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [475]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the opportunity to debate this Bill in the House and I am thankful for the time allocated. Public disclosure on this matter is of the utmost importance, which is why I am strongly supportive of this referendum being put to the people. It is the purpose of any referendum to change...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [476]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the House. One of the more salutary experiences of the debate is that there is as much opposition on the Government side as on this side. It is one of the more extraordinary aspects of the debate which would seem to focus on the Taoiseach alone as being o...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [478]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Well done.[White, Mary M.]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [479]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Let us talk about political reform. We are the only people who are talking about political reform. The Taoiseach does not talk about political reform but about putting a "Yes", "No" question to the people. Does he want this House to be kept or to go? What choice is that? As Senator Norr...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [479]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Brian Hayes, to the House. He has always been very accommodating of Members. I do not wish to personalise the debate on the abolition of the Seanad. I believe the Taoiseach has made this very personal. He has made it very personal to all of us beca...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [480]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Barrett, Sean D.]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [480]
27/06/2013 [Bills] He has also made it personal to people in this House with certain expertise, something that one could not buy. The standard of debate and contributions by Members with expertise in this House has been excellent. If people listened to them they might realise it would be worthwhile to reform...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [480]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Comiskey, Michael]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [481]
27/06/2013 [Bills] The Taoiseach was in Glenties before the last election and he made it quite clear and gave categoric support for the retention and reform of Seanad Éireann. That is what we want. At the time, my party leader was riding high in the personality poles so the Taoiseach decided to go with this....Vol-224 Book-6 Page [481]
27/06/2013 [Bills] It would be a lot easier to achieve, I suspect.[Hayes, Brian]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I also want to point out, as Senator Ó Clochartaigh stated, that I introduced a Bill in Private Members' time and brought the very important Bill Wind Turbines Bill 2012 through the Second Stage reading.[Kelly, John]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] An excellent Bill.[Conway, Martin]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I thank the Senator. At a wind energy conference some time later, the Taoiseach declared to that large lobby group that he did not support my Bill. One man decided that he would not support it and that was the end of it. If this is how democracy works, I am at a loss. It is obvious that ...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear. There is not one woman in that group.[White, Mary M.]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] This nonsense about the abolition of the Seanad is a diversionary tactic to distract from the real issues. It fools people into believing that if we save €4.2 million, we will somehow rectify our economy. I am looking for that amount for a project in my town. The real issue is that we put...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Barrett, Sean D.]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [482]
27/06/2013 [Bills] If the Taoiseach thought anything of us, he should have considered holding this referendum four and a half years into our term. We are trying to do the best we can. Let the people decide after they have seen more of our work.
Seanad reform is necessary and the Whip system that is applied...
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27/06/2013 [Bills] Roscommon says "No".[Conway, Martin]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [483]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to this historic Chamber. Sadly, this debate is an inauspicious occasion. The Taoiseach appointed me to Seanad Éireann, aware that I would be an independent voice. My views on the future of Seanad Éireann have been formed with an effort to be free, construc...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [483]
27/06/2013 [Bills] And the Taoiseach.[Barrett, Sean D.]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [483]
27/06/2013 [Bills] This proposal will profoundly impact on our Parliament, our politics and the people. Even those with the most sketchy knowledge of Irish history know that a second Chamber was previously abolished for a short period in the mid-1930s, but that Seanad Éireann was reconstituted in the 1937...[...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [483]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I call Senator Comiskey and he has ten minutes.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [485]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the House.
We often hear the word "democracy" and phrases like "democratic principles" and "democratic ideals". They are easy to say but difficult to establish and even more difficult to maintain. Democratic principles establish a rule of law, respect h...
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27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State. I wish to dispute the statement by Lord Edward Fitzgerald that Leinster House does not inspire the greatest ideas - it most certainly does. He lived in Carton House where the Minister of State and I celebrated the long service of our local Deputy. I pass C...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [486]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the House. A number of years ago, I promised him a No. 2 vote in a Seanad election, which at the time was as good as a No. 1 vote. I made it clear who I was giving my No. 1 vote to and why giving the Minister of State a No. 2 vote would be as good as givi...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [490]
27/06/2013 [Bills] With the permission of the Chair, I wish to share time with my colleague, Senator Walsh.[Daly, Mark]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [492]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Is it agreed that each Senator has five minutes? Agreed.[Wilson, Diarmuid]Vol-224 Book-6 Page [492]
27/06/2013 [Bills] Article 2 of Bunreacht na hÉireann states:
It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be cit...
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27/06/2013 [Bills] I thank Senator Daly for sharing time. In 2008, at the start of our economic difficulties, I recall one Senator saying that the first casualty of an economic crisis is democracy. Last week, I visited the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem. Its first depiction was of the national soc...Vol-224 Book-6 Page [493]
27/06/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State to the House. It was a great honour for me to have been nominated by the Taoiseach to the Seanad in May 2011. It was perhaps the greatest honour bestowed on me, more so than any other sporting achievements I have received during my 30 years involvement in......Vol-224 Book-6 Page [495]
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