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23/07/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Brian Hayes, back to the House. This is a Seanad Bill which has been amended by the Dáil. In accordance with Standing Order 118, it is deemed to have passed its First, Second and Third Stages in the Seanad and is placed on the Order Paper for Report ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [709]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I wish to address the first grouping, comprising amendments Nos. 1 and 2. Amendment No. 1 provides for the exclusion of mining and drilling operations from the scope of the Bill. Section 1(1)(g) included mining and exploration as construction activities. These activities should not have b...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] We are back to having good relations.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I thank the Senator.[Hayes, Brian]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The Minister of State mentioned that further analysis was necessary. We have had three years. How much longer does he want? For God's sake, we are moving at a snail's pace. This has been the most agonising progress for a Bill. Claiming that more analysis is necessary is not a legitimate...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Barrett, Sean D.]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] This is brilliant legislation. Had it been passed in 2010, a number of people would not be out of jobs and some small subcontractors would not have gone out of business. I am not being unpleasant because of our previous ding-dongs, but I no longer accept that the Dáil should be allowed to ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Senator's intervention. He is right in that this is Senator Quinn's Bill, not my Bill. We would not be here were it not for him.[Hayes, Brian]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Barrett, Sean D.]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [710]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I wanted to put that on the record, as I have done every time we have discussed the Bill in the past two years.[Hayes, Brian]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [711]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The Minister of State has been gracious.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [711]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The Seanad sent the Bill to the previous Dáil. As Senator Quinn would agree, this is a radically different Bill from the original. I agree with Senator Norris that it has taken too long. One reason for its taking more time than expected was that this was the first legislation in respect o...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [711]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I thank the Minister of State. With regard to payments under contracts, payments claims notices and who is entitled to claim, what is included in the Bill? In the previous section of the Bill there is reference to the exclusion of materials, plant and machinery, but in this section it is.....Vol-225 Book-7 Page [711]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The Bill does not involve retrospective activity and it cannot do so under the Constitution. We are only responsible for legislation enacted from this day forth. Needless to say, the issue referred to by the Senator is straightforward theft, and if somebody has taken plant and machinery fr...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [712]
23/07/2013 [Bills] On a point of order, there may be some confusion or misprint in these amendments. Amendment No. 5 states "In page 5, subsection (1)(b), line 36, "the value of the contract is more than €200,000, and" deleted." Have these amendments already been made?[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [712]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Yes. The figure was €200,000, and it has been taken out.[Hayes, Brian]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [712]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I understand.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [712]
23/07/2013 [Bills] It was a good try. The third group includes amendment No. 7.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [712]
23/07/2013 [Bills] This amendment essentially removes the words "an act of a person other than one of the parties to the construction contract" and replaces them with "the making of a payment by a person who is not a party to the construction contract". Section 3(5) excludes the practice of "pay when paid" cl...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [712]
23/07/2013 [Bills] This sounds suspiciously similar to mining contracts, and I am very disturbed that the Minister of State has indicated that mining has been excluded from this. I presume exploration has been excluded as well. The Minister is nodding. I am concerned because we may be giving away much of ou...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [713]
23/07/2013 [Bills] That is fine. I am happy to leave it at that, but I will pursue the business of mining.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [713]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The fourth grouping relates to provisions in the Seanad Bill that, by requiring the unpaid subcontractor to return to work after two weeks even though he or she might not be in receipt of payment for work carried out, favoured the main contractor. Everyone accepted this as fact. The provis...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [713]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I thank the Minister of State and I understand his comment about retrospective application. Perhaps my query will be too detailed for him, but I want to find out if a certain scenario is included. What happens if a contract has not been signed and a dispute is ongoing? What happens if the...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [714]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Without knowing the details of the case, it depends. Can it be proved that both parties had a contract? Can it be proved that there was a verbal contract even though there is no written contract? Was there a legitimate expectation that an action would follow the agreement by the parties? ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [714]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Can I comment again?[Keane, Cáit]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [715]
23/07/2013 [Bills] No, Senator.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [715]
23/07/2013 [Bills] That is okay.[Keane, Cáit]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [715]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Amendment No. 12 is a technical amendment to provide for a standard definition of days based on that included in the Organisation of Working Time Act 1997. The term “day(s)” is used throughout the legislation and it was important that this aspect did not generate any confusion in relation t...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [715]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Question put and agreed to.Vol-225 Book-7 Page [715]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I thank the Minister of State for his explanation. I did not speak during tonight's debate as it is 1,168 days since the Bill commenced and, as we have spoken a lot about abolition or reform of the Seanad today, I felt that we should not speak any longer on the Bill than needed.
I wish to...
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23/07/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The House gives an opportunity to Independent Members to introduce legislation on their own. The Government is prepared to accept good legislation and to help those proposing it to forge really good legislation that will help the community. I believe, as Senator Norris has already stated, ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Ten Senators have indicated that they wish to speak. Usually only the group leaders speak. I ask Senators to be brief.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I commend Senator Quinn on his perseverance. I absolutely endorse everything he said in regard to the worth of the Upper House. My colleague Deputy Dara Calleary was asking about the passage of the Bill. Many Members of both Houses have been involved in the Bill. On behalf of the Fianna ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I apologise to Senator Quinn for giving him a nudge to say something, but it was perfectly obvious - I have clarified this with him - that he had quite-----[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] There is no need for Senator Norris to nudge himself.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I do not need to nudge myself at all. I am always happy to speak. I have to say I thought it would be an impertinence to speak before Senator Quinn, or in his absence. I think it is important that he is able to take his bow at the end. I would like to record my personal jealousy because ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [717]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I commend Senator Quinn. When he initiated this legislation, I wondered why this could not be done in six months because it was such a simple Bill and he explained it so simply at the time. We are where we are. The Senator is to be commended on introducing this Bill. The Minister has to ...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] He could be appointed as the Minister for the Seanad.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] If ministerial posts were given out for effort, Senator Quinn would certainly get one on the basis of the work he has put into this legislation. I commend and thank him for his achievement in this regard. This is one of the biggest issues I have encountered in my home town of Carrick-on Su...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I would like to join Senators in heaping plaudits on Senator Quinn. He has shown us a fine example of how the Seanad can work. He mentioned that 1,168 days have passed since he introduced this Bill. We certainly hope the subcontractors will be paid much more quickly as a result of this......Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I commend Senator Quinn, who has put a great effort into bringing this Bill to fruition. He has done a great service to the construction industry. I congratulate him on his perseverance. It is regrettable that it took so long to get to this stage, but we are where we are. I suppose we sh...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The Senator did a good job on the first one.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] -----when I say that the first thing litigation solicitors, especially on the defence side-----[Noone, Catherine]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [718]
23/07/2013 [Bills] There is always Europe.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] -----generally do is advise that it be avoided at all costs because it is such a costly effort. Our neighbours in the UK have taken the lead on the adjudication process. Lawyers in this country are going to have to embrace this sensible and practical process, along with mediation and other...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] If Senators continue to speak at such length, there is a danger that the debate will have to be guillotined.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I would hate to see that happen. I beg the indulgence of the Chair for another minute. I would have made my point by now.[Noone, Catherine]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Probably not.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Those who are in attendance see this Bill as fundamental if they are to achieve their ambition of doubling the size of the industry in the next few years. This Bill is good because it will ensure small contractors and subcontractors receive payments promptly. It will benefit all contractor...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I will be very brief. I could not let the day go without congratulating Senator Quinn on this Bill. I commend the Minister for Finance on accepting the Bill. In that context, I should also mention the previous Minister, Brian Lenihan - may the Lord have mercy on him - under whose stewards...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] It is too positive for them.[Noone, Catherine]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Senator Quinn gave another demonstration of what we can do two weeks ago when he introduced the defibrillator Bill. Many Bills are initiated in the Seanad. It is a poor day when our actual work is not reported. The media is interested in drama. I congratulate Senator Quinn. On the day t...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I welcome the passing of this legislation. I thank the Minister of State for his contribution to its passing. Senator Quinn has done the State some service, to quote a former politician.[Mullins, Michael]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] That quote is from a murderer.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] If our economy is ever to recover-----[Mullins, Michael]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Othello.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] -----we need to see a significant level of activity in the construction sector. We need that sector to be credible and to operate ethically. I think the legislation we are passing will ensure that subcontractors, who were very badly treated in the past, will not suffer the same fate in the...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [719]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [720]
23/07/2013 [Bills] It was amazing to hear Senator Quinn say that 1,168 days - perhaps we are close to 1,169 by now - have passed since this Bill was introduced. Seán Gallagher brought these issues to my attention when I was serving as a local councillor on Louth County Council. He was very concerned. As has...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [720]
23/07/2013 [Bills] This Bill has been a while coming. The Minister of State was also present when I spoke previously on issues addressed in the legislation. I refer to a case that came to light in my parish of Kilfinane involving contractors who were not paid for work done on a school. This was the second t...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [720]
23/07/2013 [Bills] To respond to Senator Quinn, we will review the legislation. I gave a commitment to do so on Committee Stage in the other House, although I did not have the commitment written into the Bill. We will introduce a statutory instrument to allow the adjudicators to be appointed and the system.....Vol-225 Book-7 Page [721]
23/07/2013 [Bills] I guarantee they will be.[Norris, David]Vol-225 Book-7 Page [721]
23/07/2013 [Bills] The completion of the Bill is a significant achievement on which I congratulate the Senator. I thank especially Ms Anne Ó Broin who works with Senator Quinn and Mr. David O'Brien and Mr. Ronan O'Reilly from the Department. Senator Quinn, in referring to the late Deputy Brian Lenihan from t...Vol-225 Book-7 Page [721]
23/07/2013 [Bills] Question put and agreed to.Vol-225 Book-7 Page [721]
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