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19/12/2013 [Bills] SECTION 1Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Question proposed: "That section 1 stand part of the Bill."Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] We know the Minister supports the legislation. Senators John Crown and Mark Daly and I put forward the Bill and we debated it in the House in May 2012, 19 months ago. It was a constructive debate that was supported by all and I felt we were going places. We have met since and I can catalo...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [860]
19/12/2013 [Bills] We are debating section 1. Is section 1 agreed to?[Mooney, Paschal]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [860]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I ask the House for a 90 second sos. I misread the Order of Business and thought we were not debating the legislation. I need to have a quick chat with Senator Jillian van Turnhout. May I have one minute? Is my request in order?[Crown, John]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [860]
19/12/2013 [Bills] Senator Sean D. Barrett wishes to make a contribution.[Mooney, Paschal]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [861]
19/12/2013 [Bills] If my request is not in order, I will continue.[Crown, John]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [861]
19/12/2013 [Bills] The Senator can debate the section after Senator Sean D. Barrett.[Mooney, Paschal]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [861]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister and his interest in the affairs of the Seanad is appreciated. Senator John Crown is the expert on health in the House, but I will make a few observations from the transport point of view. Let us examine the penalty points system and the use of mobile telephones. Mob...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [861]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I thank the Acting Chairman and the Minister. I apologise to the Minister for my apparent inattention. I meant no disrespect by my late arrival. I misunderstood the Order of Business and thought we would debate the health insurance Bill for longer. I had wanted to make a contribution on ...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [861]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I am not getting at the Minister about this, but I want to give him a brief timeline and I will not name names.
May 3: Publication, introduction.
May 9: Second Stage.
May 18: Meeting with senior Department of Health officials.
May 25: Telephone call with senior Department of Health officials...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] Yes.[Mooney, Paschal]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [864]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I thank the Minister for coming into the House for a second time this week. I welcome the amendments tabled by the proposers of the Bill and thank them for the work they have done in preparing them and the Bill which is very detailed.
On the issue of banning smoking in cars with passenger...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] I welcome the Minister back to the House. My Seanad colleagues have outlined the timeline on this issue, but this is a more fundamental criticism of the system that has allowed it to continue for so long. In other areas where I am dealing with Departments I am told by officials that unless...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [865]
19/12/2013 [Bills] When there are things that should be done for the most obvious reasons such as those that Senator John Crown has outlined, for example, that a child inhaling cigarette fumes in a car is the equivalent of a firefighter working for eight hours in a forest fire, one has to ask why we would not ...Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] I strongly support this legislation. The last time it was discussed in the House the Minister expressed several concerns about making it workable. I understand Senators have been going back and forth - Senator John Crown has catalogued all the correspondence over that period - with a view ...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [866]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I, too, welcome the Minister back to the House. Every time someone puts forward an idea here we stand up and thank and congratulate that Senator. I genuinely thank the Senators involved for bringing this forward because although this is a simple Bill it is one of the best I have seen here....Vol-228 Book-10 Page [866]
19/12/2013 [Bills] Whatever about banning it completely, which may be a good idea, at least adults can say, "Please do not smoke in my car," whereas children sitting in the back cannot very well say this. I ask the Minister to please not leave this parked for too long and to bring forward whatever amendments ...Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] On going through my notes, I came across mention of Fionn O’Callaghan from County Wexford, whom the Minister will remember. He was seven when we started this process and he is now nine and I hope he will not be an adult when we bring this in. He took it on himself to write to the Taoiseach...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [867]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I am very pleased to speak on the Bill. In reply to Senator Sean D. Barrett, I always get very nervous when anybody calls me an expert on anything. I assure the House I am not opposing this and I do not intend to submit any amendments to the Bill today, although I will bring amendments at ...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [869]
19/12/2013 [Bills] The World Health Organization has stated that there is no safe level of second-hand smoke. Recent reviews carried out for my Department by the Health Research Board on smoking in cars underscores the extent of the harm caused. All of the evidence emphasises the importance of protecting chi...Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] I absolutely take the Minister at his word on this matter. However, with Senator John Crown's reference to timelines in mind, will the Minister tell us when he will be in a position to bring forward the amendments he has indicated? It would help to inform our thinking if we had that inform...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [870]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I would love to be able to give the Senator an answer to her question, but I cannot do so. As Harold Macmillan once said when asked about how a particular issue might progress: "Events, dear boy, events." We have a huge amount of legislation to get through and our progress was held up to s...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [870]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I beg the understanding of my more experienced parliamentary colleagues and acknowledge a certain naivete on my own part when it comes to parliamentary procedures. Am I correct in understanding that the Government does not propose to oppose the amendments and will allow the Bill to pass Com...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [870]
19/12/2013 [Bills] Yes, we have no objection to the amendments.[Burke, Colm]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [870]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I appreciate the clarification.[Crown, John]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [870]
19/12/2013 [Bills] We are all aware of the importance of seeking to lead on these issues as opposed to follow. In a survey conducted by AA Ireland in 2011, some 74.6% of respondents were in complete agreement with the idea of a ban on smoking in cars where there is a child passenger, with a further 10.5% offe...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [870]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I received some interesting information from the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport which could help to illuminate our discussion today. In 2012, the Garda Síochána apprehended 240,000 motorists, 184,000 of them for speeding, 25,000 for the telephone offences to which I referred ear...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [871]
19/12/2013 [Bills] Following on from Senator Sean d. Barrett's point, I see these provisions as being very much cost neutral in the sense that the policing is already taking place. In fact, if one takes into consideration the numbers of motorists who are stopped and cautioned, we can probably add another 100,...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [871]
19/12/2013 [Bills] To be absolutely clear, I am 100% supportive of this Bill and of the banning of smoking in cars where children are present. There is irrefutable evidence for such a prohibition, as I have indicated. In fact, I am strongly in favour of banning it in cars altogether not only because of possi...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [871]
19/12/2013 [Bills] There is an argument to be made for this and there is an appetite for it, but this Bill does not address that nor should we expect it to or delay it by adding it in.
Make no mistake, I wish to have the Bill passed as quickly as possible. Like the Senator, I suffer tremendous frustration w...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] Question put and agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] NEW SECTIONVol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Amendments Nos. 1, 3 and 4 are related and may be discussed together. Is that agreed? Agreed.[Mullins, Michael]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [872]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I move amendment No. 1:
In page 3, before section 2, to insert the following new section:
2.—The Principal Act is amended by inserting, after section 6, the following:
“6A.—(1) Summary proceedings in respect of the contravention of the requirements of section 47(8)(j) may be brought and pros...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] I am not opposing the amendment. I am trying to be helpful because I want this Bill to succeed and be implemented as quickly as possible.
The intention of the original Bill's provisions and amendment No. 1 relates to the offence of smoking in a car where children are present. It is inten...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] It is good to know that.[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [874]
19/12/2013 [Bills] The ban on smoking in the workplace was a sea change. I commend Deputy Micheál Martin on introducing it.
Section 47(8) of the Public Health (Tobacco) Act 2002, as amended, sets out the definitions of specified places, that is, a place of work, schools and so forth. These are the specifie...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] We are not dealing with amendment No. 2. Amendments Nos. 1, 3 and 4 are grouped together.[Mullins, Michael]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [875]
19/12/2013 [Bills] My apologies.
In short, none of these problems is insurmountable. They just have to be worked on. To return to the previous point about how long it takes to get legislation through, another Bill that springs to mind is the sunbed legislation which was introduced by my predecessor in 2010...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] Amendment agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Section 2 deleted.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Section 3 agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] NEW SECTIONVol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] I move amendment No. 2:
In page 4, before section 4, to insert the following new section:
4.—The Principal Act is amended in subsection (3) of section 47, by substituting for “the occupier, manager and any other person for the time being in charge of the specified place” the following “the.....
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19/12/2013 [Bills] As drafted, this amendment is not acceptable as it includes drivers of a private vehicle in a list of owners and managers of workplaces. The provision relating to smoking in cars should be a stand-alone provision within the Public Health (Tobacco) Acts and not included in the current workpl...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [875]
19/12/2013 [Bills] We would be delighted to look positively at any amendments the Minister offers on Report Stage to deal with any technical issue with either the original Bill or these amendments.[Crown, John]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [876]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I realise the Minister cannot give a commitment on dates, but can he give a commitment that we will all work together in order that when we reach Report Stage, we will have the Bill correct to ensure it could go through the Dáil quickly? If we could get a commitment that the Bill that is pa...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [876]
19/12/2013 [Bills] The Minister has referred to all the problems, difficulties and frustrations. I believe his anti-smoking campaign will work. It is going well. The road safety campaign has been a spectacular success, and we compliment the Garda, the Minister, Deputy Leo Vardkar, and all concerned. There ...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [876]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I do not wish to delay, but I have a question about an outright ban on smoking in cars.[Burke, Colm]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [876]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I do not want to delay the progress of the legislation, but I wonder if this matter could be examined.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] That is the very point I was about to make. I had intended to suggest that if there was a way it could be incorporated in the Bill - I am sure the Minister could discuss the matter with its promoters and with the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Leo Varadkar, who is also a ...Vol-228 Book-10 Page [876]
19/12/2013 [Bills] I presume the matter can be examined prior to Report Stage.[Mullins, Michael]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [876]
19/12/2013 [Bills] Amendment agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Section 4 deleted.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] NEW SECTIONSVol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] I move amendment No. 3:
In page 4, before section 5, to insert the following new section:
5.—The Principal Act is amended in subsection (2) of section 5 by substituting for “section 37(13)” the following “section 6A, 7(13)”.”.[van Turnhout, Jillian]
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19/12/2013 [Bills] Amendment agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] I move amendment No. 4:
In page 4, before section 5, to insert the following new section:
6.—Section 103(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1961, as amended by section 14 of the Road Traffic Act 2006, is amended by replacing the text:
“and an offence standing so declared under paragraph (a) or (b) a...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] Amendment agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] SECTION 5Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] I move amendment No. 5:
In page 4, after line 10, to insert the following subsection:
“(2) This Act comes into operation on such day or days, as the Minister may by order appoint.”.
I want the record to reflect what I stated on the Order of Business this morning and what I wanted to say in r...
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19/12/2013 [Bills] Amendment agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Section 5, as amended, agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Title agreed to.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] Bill reported with amendments.Vol-228 Book-10
19/12/2013 [Bills] When is it proposed to take Report Stage?[Mullins, Michael]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [877]
19/12/2013 [Bills] We would like it to be taken in January 2014.[Crown, John]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [877]
19/12/2013 [Bills] It will be taken on the first sitting day in 2014.[Conway, Martin]Vol-228 Book-10 Page [877]
19/12/2013 [Bills] Report Stage ordered for Wednesday, 15 January 2014.Vol-228 Book-10
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