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25/03/2015 [Bills] We move on to the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015 - Second Stage. No. 2, motion pursuant to section 23 of the Referendum Act 1994 in regard to the proposal to amend the Constitution, which is contained in the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitut...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [791]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I am honoured to introduce the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015 into Seanad Éireann. The Bill sets out the proposed constitutional amendment on the issue of marriage equality to be put to the people in the referendum on 22 May 2015. If the referendu...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [791]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Bravo. Well done.[Norris, David]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [793]
25/03/2015 [Bills] What does the proposed constitutional amendment seek to achieve? What are the people being asked to decide in the referendum on 22 May? The people will be asked to decide upon a simple question, namely, who should have the right to marry in the eyes of the State. The answer to that questi...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [793]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Fianna Fáil strongly supports the legislation before the House today. We held a vote at our Ard-Fheis in 2012 where our members endorsed equal marriage for same-sex couples. They also voted in favour of equal adoption rights for same-sex couples.
As a republican party, we believe in equa...
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25/03/2015 [Bills] That is absolute nonsense.[Norris, David]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [796]
25/03/2015 [Bills] -----regardless of whether it is reflective of where anyone stands on an issue. In spite of the fact that all political parties, major children's rights organisations, human rights organisations, trade unions, medical organisations and every type of civil society group are in favour, media ...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [796]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Hear, hear.[Conway, Martin]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [797]
25/03/2015 [Bills] As things stand, gay people can adopt. As of today, they can only do so as individuals, which only penalises the children, because when a couple adopts and only one of the parents has a legal relationship with the child, that is damaging for the child because it does not give him or her a l...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [797]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Senator Power is dead right.[Conway, Martin]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [798]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I welcome the Minister for Justice and Equality to the House. Twice this week, I have stood up to agree wholeheartedly with Senator Power. That is the way politics should be in this country. I appreciated her testimonial and contribution on what is a ground-breaking Bill. The referendum ...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [799]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I will be putting that in my manifesto for the next election.[Norris, David]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [800]
25/03/2015 [Bills] With that in mind, I wish the Minister well in this endeavour. Obviously the waters will be muddied by people who have the cheek and the ignorance to connect children with this issue. This has nothing to do with children. That will be dealt with by other Bills going through the Houses. I...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [800]
25/03/2015 [Bills] This is a Bill about my life. This is a Bill that will profoundly impact on my life, one way or the other. As a married woman, I share much in common with my Seanad colleagues who are married. Those of us who are married, possibly the majority, signed a civil law document with our spouse ...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [800]
25/03/2015 [Bills] It will be hard to follow that. I welcome the Minister, Deputy Fitzgerald, to the House and I congratulate her on bringing forward this Bill and on her fine and powerful speech in support of it. The applause spoke for itself, as indeed did the applause for my colleague, Senator Zappone, fo...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [802]
25/03/2015 [Bills] That change was thanks to Charles Haughey and the then Minister for Justice.[White, Mary M.]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [803]
25/03/2015 [Bills] As we know, an important change was made. Until the passage of the divorce referendum in 1995 our understanding of marriage was that it was not possible legally to end a civil marriage. In the United States, interracial marriage was banned until 1967, which saw the landmark case of Loving ...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [803]
25/03/2015 [Bills] This is an important day and I commend the Minister and my colleagues in Seanad Éireann on their powerful and emotional speeches, but I wish to give a signal of warning.[Norris, David]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [805]
25/03/2015 [Bills] The Senator is not allowed to name individuals in the Chamber.[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [805]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I withdraw the name of Bruce Arnold from the record. This man has written articles in all of the national newspapers, all of which are rubbish but create an atmosphere of doubt and need to be answered definitively and authoritatively. In this pompous tirade circulated to the media this man...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [805]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Hear, hear.[White, Mary M.]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [806]
25/03/2015 [Bills] They are like episodes of "Father Ted" when they come out and bleat about marriage because it is an institution about which they know sweet damn all.
On the fifth claim that impotence or non-consummation could no longer be a ground for annulling a marriage, this is not the case. Non-consu...
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25/03/2015 [Bills] I welcome the Minister to the House and commend Senators on their very powerful speeches and true words. It is very important to place this issue in its context. It is not, and nor should it be, a polemical or ideological context but rather a very personal one. The letter on the front pag...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [807]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I welcome the Minister to the House and thank her for bringing forward this Bill. I was somewhat overwhelmed by the response I received from family, friends, people throughout Ireland and people from far afield when I told my personal story as the parent of a gay son on a recent radio inter...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [810]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I will not take eight minutes, but I could not but stand up today to say a few words on this historic day. I listened with great interest to the Minister's speech and to some of the wonderful speeches of my colleagues, particularly Senator Zappone, who is one of my greatest friends of all t...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [812]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Could Senator O'Brien move closer to the microphone?[Naughton, Hildegarde]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [812]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I beg the Acting Chair's pardon. Love has no regard for sex or gender. Happiness cannot be captured. It cannot be bought, it cannot be owned, and it cannot be earned. It cannot be worn, it cannot be travelled to and it cannot be consumed. Happiness is the spiritual experience of living ...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [812]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I thank the Minister for her commitment to meaningful and important social reform legislation and to this amendment. It will enable us to hold our heads high. At the risk of being complacent, I am one of the people who believes the referendum will pass and will pass easily. I do not belie...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [813]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I welcome the Minister to the House on this historic occasion. I wish to congratulate my colleague, Senator Zappone, on what is probably one of the most incredible speeches I have ever heard, particularly in this House.
I fully support marriage equality and the thirty-fourth amendment of ...
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25/03/2015 [Bills] I welcome the Minister to the House and lend my support to this legislation and to the referendum. Two weeks ago I had the privilege of sharing the stage at our party Ard-Fheis with a spokesperson for LGBT equality, Sinead Murray. She shared her story with us of how, last year, her brother...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [816]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I warmly welcome the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Marriage Equality) Bill 2015, which sets out the wording of the amendment that will be put to the people in a referendum on 22 May 2015. If passed, the amendment will allow two people to enter into civil marriage without dist...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [820]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire. Tá mé go mór i bhfábhar an reifrinn agus an Bhille seo agus go bhféadfaidh beirt gan beann ar a ngnéas conradh pósta a dhéanamh de réir dlí.
There are some things that come through this House on which we may not always be completely sure, issues and Bills wher...
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25/03/2015 [Bills] On a point of order, Senator Mullen has grossly misrepresented the quote of Geoffrey Shannon, who clarified at the Joint Committee on Health and Children that he did not say-----[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] That is not a point of order.[Walsh, Jim]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] It is. One is not allowed mention somebody's name and misquote them in the House. He spoke about all families being entitled to it.[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I hope this is not interfering with my time.[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] The Senator knows the rules about not referring to people who are outside the House. I do not know whether the Senator quoted or misquoted him, but if he did misquote him I ask him to retract it.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] For the record, I have checked directly with Geoffrey Shannon the accuracy of the quotation I have ascribed to him.[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] The Oireachtas Joint Committee and Health and Children------[van Turnhout, Jillian]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] What I am coming across-----[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] An alternative point of view has been put by another Senator and the record of the House will show this.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] What I am coming across in my contact with people is much concern in particular about the value of motherhood. Mothers and fathers are both important, but there is something about motherhood. Our late great poet, Seamus Heaney, knew something about the importance of mothers. Those who vot...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [827]
25/03/2015 [Bills] On a point of order, I take issue with Senator Mullen's personalising of the referendum as the Minister's referendum. To be quite accurate, a referendum is a matter for the people to vote on and no one should attribute it and personalise it in this particular way.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] To continue-----[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I draw the Senator's attention to the fact that he has exceeded his time.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I will conclude, as the Acting Chairman will accept I have been interrupted by two non-points of order.[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] We are at nine minutes instead of eight.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Has the Acting Chairman allowed for it?[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I have.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Of course children will be loved by whoever brings them into the world, but this is not enough. Justice to children demands that a child's right to a father and mother would never be undermined. I will table amendments in the coming days which will seek to reaffirm the right of children to...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [828]
25/03/2015 [Bills] The Senator is pushing it a little bit now. I did allow extra time.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [829]
25/03/2015 [Bills] In fairness, the circumstances were trying and it did not happen for any other speaker.[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [829]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I was not in the Chair for other speakers so I cannot speak about it, but the Senator is almost two minutes over time.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [829]
25/03/2015 [Bills] If the Minister is sincere about her statement that this does not impact negatively on the rights of children, she will accept the amendments. If she does not accept them, we can discuss them further on the hustings.[Mullen, Rónán]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [829]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Accepting amendments is a matter for Committee Stage as the Senator well knows.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [829]
25/03/2015 [Bills] The Senator is half a minute over time.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [831]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Could the Acting Chair give me a little more time?[Walsh, Jim]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [831]
25/03/2015 [Bills] The Senator will get just a little bit more.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [831]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I want to refer to the printer's case in Drogheda and Brendan Eich, Mozilla's new CEO, who had to resign because he made a contribution of $1,000 to Proposition 8 in California. These are examples of intolerance towards people who have a conscientious position on this issue.
I am seriousl...
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25/03/2015 [Bills] We do not have the time.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [832]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I will finish on this, if the Acting Chair does not mind.[Walsh, Jim]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [832]
25/03/2015 [Bills] No. I have called other Senators to time and now I have to call Senator Walsh as well.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [832]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Can I just finish on this point, namely, my concern about gay people, which has not come up yet? I am conscious of the fact that gay people have suffered the stigma and challenges of living in a society that is largely heteronormative. However, my concern is that gay people in same-sex cou...Vol-238 Book-13 Page [832]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I thank the Senator. He is now two minutes over time.[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [832]
25/03/2015 [Bills] I thank all Senators for this very constructive debate on this important topic. The eloquence and the power of the contributions from Senators here today speaks for itself. I hope it gets a wide audience through a variety of media. I am very struck by the personal nature of many of the......Vol-238 Book-13 Page [832]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Cuireadh agus aontaíodh an cheist.
Question put and agreed to.
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25/03/2015 [Bills] When is proposed to take Committee Stage?[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [834]
25/03/2015 [Bills] On Friday, 27 March.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [834]
25/03/2015 [Bills] When is proposed to sit again?[Moloney, Marie]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [834]
25/03/2015 [Bills] Tomorrow morning at 10.30.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-238 Book-13 Page [834]
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