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28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Order of Business is No. 1, motion re Companies Act 2014 (Section 1313) Regulations 2015, back from committee, to be taken without debate at the conclusion of the Order of Business; No. 2, Statute Law Revision Bill 2015 - Second Stage, to be taken at 12.45 p.m. and adjourned ...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [326]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I circulated two motions earlier this morning. The first was to the effect that Seanad Éireann calls on the Government to reject the offer from IAG to purchase the 25.1% stake in Aer Lingus, thereby protecting Ireland's strategic interests into the future. The second motion was...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [326]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] They are not on the Order Paper.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [326]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] They were submitted this morning. They are not on the Order Paper because, in fairness, while it is not the fault of the Leader, the manner in which the debate on Aer Lingus has taken place in the Lower House has been nothing but farcical in terms of timing and when the debate w...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [326]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is way over time.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [327]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The problem is that all of this will not be discussed in the Seanad until the Government sheep in the other House march behind their Ministers and vote for what they said only two months ago they would not do. At the Labour Party conference, it was said if Aer Lingus was sold, t...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [327]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is way over time.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] If I cannot get these two motions on the Order Paper, I will propose an amendment to the Order of Business to the effect that Seanad Éireann calls on the Government to reject the offer from IAG to purchase a 25.1% stake in Aer Lingus, thereby protecting Ireland's strategic intere...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Is the Senator requesting me to allow the motion-----[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] If the Cathaoirleach does not put the motion on the Order Paper today-----[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I have given very careful consideration to the motion, which I did not get until 10.30 a.m.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I understand that.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] There are timeframes regarding motions and I have made my ruling. I have not agreed to the motion going ahead. The Senator is now proposing an amendment-----[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I respect the ruling, as I always do. It is unfortunate and I am very disappointed in it. I am, therefore, proposing an amendment to the Order of Business to the effect that, directly after the Order of Business, not at 5 p.m., a debate take place in the Seanad for one or two h...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is looking for a debate.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I am. It is extremely disappointing that the Seanad, because of the way business has been scheduled this week, will have no voice whatsoever in the sale of the stake of the Government and taxpayers in Aer Lingus. That is the reality of how the business has been scheduled.[O'Bri...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] We have no say in the sale.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Our voice will not even be heard. The problem is that the Seanad has-----[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] There are two issues. The Senator has already sent motions to me.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I have and you are not accepting them.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [328]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I am not prepared to accept them.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Which is a shame.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] There will be statements later on this issue.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Yes, after the vote is taken in the Dáil.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] What exactly is the Senator proposing?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] That the statements are to take place after the vote happens in the Dáil makes them irrelevant because the decision will have been made. That is pathetic and it is the fault of the Government, not the Cathaoirleach, for listing the business that way.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Is the Senator's amendment to the Order of Business to bring forward the statements-----[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It is to bring forward the statements in order that they will be taken directly after the Order of Business.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It is that No. 3a be taken before No. 1. Can I help the Senator?[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Leader can, but it would have been helpful if we had scheduled-----[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] We will be rejecting it, but I can help the Senator.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I thank the Leader. In fairness, people need to know where different groups stand on this issue.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is way over time.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] My amendment is that No. 3a be taken after the Order of the Business. It is a grave disappointment to us that the Seanad will still not have a voice because the motions have been ruled out.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator can make those points during the debate.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] We should be voting on the motions.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It is very difficult to sit and listen to Senator Darragh O'Brien's brazen hypocrisy on the issue of Aer Lingus. As I said, his party, when in government, presided over the effective privatisation of Aer Lingus by selling off 74.9% of its share. It is brazen hypocrisy, and noth...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] He has not spoken for 20 minutes. I have timed him.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It is now 11.50 a.m.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I can tell the Senator the business of the House did not start until 11.38 a.m.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [329]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] He still spoke for a lot longer than the time allowed. Given that the Leader has scheduled a debate on Aer Lingus today, as requested by many of us, and that the Minister will be on his feet in the Dáil for most of the day, I do not see how we can have the debate any earlier. I...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [330]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] He is benefiting from the sale.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [330]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I did not interrupt the Senator.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [330]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Ivana Bacik to continue, without interruption.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [330]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] He provided helpful reassurance on the issue of registered employment agreements, compulsory redundancies and outsourcing, three of the key issues which most concern many of us in the proposed sale.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [330]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I second the amendment proposed by Senator Darragh O'Brien.
I would like to ask for a debate on ethics in sport in view of the situation regarding Sepp Blatter. The whole international sports world is a byword for corruption. The International Olympic Committee is a mess. FI...
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28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator has used very unparliamentary language.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [331]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It is not a bit. I defy the Cathaoirleach to find the word "nincompoop" in the list of regulated words.[Norris, David]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [331]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] That is not the word I was talking about, as the Senator well knows.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [331]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] In terms of the word "crook", Mr. Blatter is a crook. It is as simple as that.
I wish to make a suggestion to the red-top newspapers or whatever they are called. I mean the tabloid newspapers, which I despise, but they are quite funny with their headlines. I suggest the head...
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28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator has missed his vocation.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [331]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I wish to raise the issue of home care providers, which was featured on the front page of the Irish Examiner this morning. The fact is someone can serve five years in Mountjoy jail and still set up a company to provide home care the day after release. There is no regulation gov...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [331]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I have already given the Cathaoirleach notice of my intention, in accordance with Standing Orders, to seek an adjournment of the House in order to discuss the specific and urgent matter of Aer Lingus. I wish to make an appeal to the Leader. What vision do we have for the Seanad...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [331]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] No. I have no control over any response that a Minister gives in the House.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Seanad should have control where a Government backbencher contradicts a Minister. Somebody is right and somebody is wrong.[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Both of them are Members of the other House.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] We need to know who is right.[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Both of them are Members of the other House. I have no control over what they say.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Cathaoirleach has no control over them? Are we meant to get the proper answers to Commencement matters? I do not want to hear a row between a backbencher and a Minister of State. I want to know what the exact position is. It seems absolutely ludicrous that a backbencher w...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I wish to raise an issue with regard to the terms and conditions of the new beef genomics scheme created by the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. The issue is unique in nature because a huge majority of farmers in County Galway do not wish to participate in it. Un...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [332]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Does the Senator seek a debate? This may be more suitable for a Commencement matter.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [333]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I raised the matter because the scheme will close quite soon and, therefore, it is important to extend the deadline. It is also important that the Minister come in here to discuss the matter. We have a situation in which farmers will be penalised in the short term but the State...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [333]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I was planning to congratulate the Leader on arranging the debate on Aer Lingus because it was not planned yesterday but we were told one was scheduled late last evening. However, having listened to Senators Darragh O'Brien and Thomas Byrne today, it does not make sense to have ...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [333]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I support Senator Higgins’ call for a debate with the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine on the beef genomics scheme. The one bit of good news is that he has announced an extension of the deadline for applications, giving farmers an additional week to apply. Approxim...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [333]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Ba mhaith liom aontú leis na cainteoirí ar an dtaobh seo den Teach atá tar éis a gcuid imní maidir leis an díolachán atá ar bun de Aer Lingus a lua chomh maith.
What is happening around the Aer Lingus debacle is really disgraceful, rushing through such an important and strategi...
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28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I agree with the statements of Senators on the other side of the fence that it is a futile exercise to have a debate on Aer Lingus this afternoon after the decision has been made. It should happen sooner, if at all possible. I encourage the Leader to fit in an hour and cancel w...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [334]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I refer to the lack of progress on the charities regulator with the Minister for Justice and Equality. Jim Cusack, a journalist at the Irish Examiner, wrote recently about a children’s charity because four of the seven directors have resigned, citing irregular governance and exp...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [334]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I support the request by Fianna Fáil to change the Order of Business today. It is outrageous that we are going to have a debate after the deal is done.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [335]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [335]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It is also outrageous that we do not hear from the only independent voice that I have heard, Senator Sean D. Barrett. I will not take any advice from those who are about to feather their own nest inside on the board of Aer Lingus, getting a huge payout once this deal is done, an...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [335]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I strongly support what my colleagues have said in regard to the Aer Lingus debacle. Without going into the specifics, this House is being disrespected today by the Government in not allowing for a debate prior to a decision being taken in the other House. We are dealing with a...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [335]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] To follow on from what my two Fianna Fáil colleagues have said about Aer Lingus, a debate today is essential. As other colleagues have said, Senator Sean D. Barrett will be busy at the banking inquiry this afternoon and will not be here. In fairness, the Senator is one of the f...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [336]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I have listened to the views of Members on the debate about Aer Lingus. It was not possible to have it last night because the debate in the other House lasted until 10 p.m. The Minister will be in the other House until 5 p.m. today debating the issue. As far as I know, he does...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [336]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Can we have any Minister?[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [336]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] How can I manufacture one out of a hat?[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [336]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] There are enough of them.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [336]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I will sit here and report back to the Minister. Senators are proposing an amendment to the Order of Business that we speak about the issue, but I cannot supply a Minister at the drop of a hat.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [336]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Then let us have that debate.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I will report on what is said to the Minister. Senators cannot have it every way, as they want to do with Aer Lingus. I am prepared to amend the Order of Business as follows: that, after the Order of Business, we have a debate about Aer Lingus up to 2 p.m., with all spokesperso...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] On a point of order, what the Leader has said is reasonable. I suggest that if Senator Sean D. Barrett is able to get away from the committee and does wish to speak, Members give way to him. He will only have a short time in which-----[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] We cannot order the business of the House based on whether a Member will be here. That was one of the reasons I put the item down to be taken at 5 p.m. We could have heard from Senator Sean D. Barrett at that stage, because he probably will be finished at the committee by then....Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] He will have a lunch break.[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] These matters have to be organised properly. One cannot organise business at the drop of a hat. That is what I propose to do to facilitate the House and I am amending the Order of Business accordingly.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Is it just group spokespersons who will have five minutes in which to contribute?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] All Senators who contribute to the debate will have five minutes.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Is the debate to continue up to 2 p.m. or 2.30 p.m?[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [337]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] It will continue up to 2 p.m. and we will then continue with the other business outlined.
Senator Ivana Bacik and others referred to the €91 million investment in housing announced today by the Minister for the Environment, Community Local Government, Deputy Alan Kelly, which i...
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28/05/2015 [Order of Business] They are paid from the public purse.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [338]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I note the point made by the Senator which I will raise with the Minister for Education and Skills. Is the Senator suggesting college chaplains should not be paid from the public purse? They can be of either religion in institutes of technology and other third level institution...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [338]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I am suggesting that, like all other public jobs, they be advertised in accordance with the usual criteria and that there be interview panels.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [338]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I will bring the matter to the attention of the Minister for Education and Skills and the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform.
Senator Brian Ó Domhnaill referred to a European Commission report on national reforms. It will be debated with other finance issues.
Senator...
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28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Darragh O’Brien has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business: “That No. 3a on the Supplementary Order Paper be taken before No.1.” Is the amendment being pressed?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] No, I am withdrawing it. I thank the Leader for going some of the way towards accommodating it. It is disappointing that we will not have a Minister present. I am not expecting the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Paschal Donohoe, to attend, but the Government...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator will have to do with me.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I am happy with the Leader.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] Is the Senator withdrawing the amendment?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] I am. I thank the Leader for varying today’s business. We will see how things go.[O'Brien, Darragh]Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
28/05/2015 [Order of Business] The Leader has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business concerning new arrangements for the taking of No. 3a: “That statements on the sale of Aer Lingus be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business and conclude at 2 p.m., with the contributions of Senators not to exc...Vol-240 Book-6 Page [339]
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