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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Order of Business is No. 1, motion regarding the Education Research Centre (Establishment) Order 2015, to be taken without debate on the conclusion of the Order of Business; No. 1a, motion regarding arrangements for the sitting of the House on Tuesday, 14 July 2015, to be tak...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [392]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I am sure Senators are aware that yesterday the British Chancellor, George Osborne, announced dramatically in his budget that a retired couple who wish to downsize or to bequeath their home, worth up to £1 million on their deaths, can pass on the value of the home to their childr...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [392]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is disgraceful.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is the hardest neck I ever came across. It is callous and cold. I do not how Senator Bacik, for whom I have the highest regard, has the stomach to take this. Deputy Stagg, the Labour Party Whip, should be embarrassed when he states in his e-mail that he knows, as well as we...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Are they capable of being embarrassed about it?[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I would say they are embarrassed because I know that they are genuine.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator has gone way over time. Does she have a question for the Leader?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is hard to listen to a member of Fianna Fáil talk about hard necks and embarrassment because it has a monopoly when it comes to having a hard neck in this Chamber, as is well known, in the context of the appalling mess in which it left the country in 2011.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Ask the Greeks about our success story.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I would not look to Greece for a model for what to do if I was the Senator-----[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] They are looking to us-----[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Please allow Senator Bacik to contribute, without interruption. Senator Leyden has indicated that he wants to contribute.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Bacik is being provocative.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [393]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I will not take lectures from the Senator. I listened with courtesy to Senator Mary White, no matter how provocative she was. It is fair to make the point that Members should listen with courtesy.
I have not seen any e-mail from Deputy Emmett Stagg, but we had an extensive de...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Into poverty.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] -----into a position where they will be able to engage in the workforce[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-241 Book-6
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Please allow the Senator to continue, without interruption.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] In fairness, the Labour Party Whip does not see that.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator has indicated that he wishes to speak.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] As we all know, the surest route out of poverty is moving from welfare dependency into secure and full-time employment.[Bacik, Ivana]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Child care is too expensive in Ireland.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Please allow Senator Bacik to make her point.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator White should not lecture me on child care. I have engaged directly with the Tánaiste, as have my Labour Party colleagues, on the group of lone parents who may suffer adverse consequences as a result of the changes to seek to ensure these consequences will not be adverse ...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Was Senator Power also not involved?[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [394]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Many colleagues, including Senator Power, have been active in seeking to change this provision and it is a proud day for the Seanad to see the Bill being accepted by the Government. I hope we will conclude Report Stage today.
We all hope we will see a good and proper resolutio...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] In the light of the significant fact that the Whip of the Labour Party in the Dáil has seen fit in a private e-mail to oppose the cut in the lone parent payment and that, when challenged, he did not withdraw but stood by what he had said, it is important we have a further discuss...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] On 30 June there were two fatalities in County Clare. I understand that in one case the ambulance service had to request the assistance of the fire service. I also understand that as a result of staff shortages in Ennis, paramedics had to be drafted in from other parts of the c...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I again wish to raise the case of the young Irishman in an Egyptian jail. In today's edition of the Irish Independent the public affairs editor, Mr. Shane Phelan, reports that Ibrahim Halawa has been subject to electric shock torture in an Egyptian prison, according to a submiss...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] They cannot circumvent what happens in the Egyptian courts.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] There is no law and order there. They are not treating this young man properly. Is electric shock treatment acceptable to you? Would you like to receive electric shock treatment in some jail?[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Certainly not. I was talking about what the Senator was up against.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I ask Senator Leyden to speak through the Chair, please.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Is Senator Coghlan standing over the Egyptian system and the degrading torture of a young 19 year old Irishman through electric shock treatment? Is that the way we treat an Irishman 100 years after the Easter Rising?[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator knows that it is not.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [395]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Leyden should not invite comments from the other side of the House. Does he have a question for the Leader?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I second the motion proposed by Senator Norris on lone parents.
To return to the case of Ibrahim Halawa, in the circumstances I have no hesitation in calling on the President, Mr. Michael D. Higgins, to intervene. He has a responsibility to Irish citizens and I do not think he...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator should not mention the President's name in the House.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He is a politician and was elected by the people of Ireland.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He is not; he is above politics.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He should contact the President of Egypt to say he must release our citizen.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is completely out of order.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Unprecedented cases require unprecedented action, but no action has been taken and it is about time it was. We have a President in Áras an Uachtaráin who is a great human rights advocate, a man who has stood up for people's human rights.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is completely out of order.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I hope I am in order.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] We talk about Seanad reform.[Brennan, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] We all share the concern about the health and well-being of Ibrahim Halawa and want to see him returned to his family and back in Ireland to further his education. I have every confidence in the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, his officials and our consular staff who are...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [396]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Two weeks ago the Joint Committee on European Affairs launched a report, UK-EU future relationship: Implications for Ireland, which specifically looked at the implications for Ireland of Britain leaving the EU. At the time, this launch was mentioned in the House but I want to kn...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [397]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator White raises an interesting point around inheritance. I suggest to the Leader that we might have a debate on the issue of taxation more generally, in particular taxation and fairness. I must admit I cannot agree with Senator White. First, inheritance tax is based on va...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [397]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is another intellectual approach we have this morning.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [397]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I would also make the point that inheritance tax perpetuates more unequal societies. I am very surprised the Senator would raise an issue such as child care and, in the same breath, suggest that people should be able to have tax relief on wealth they do not earn when, obviously,...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [397]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] On a point of order, does the Senator have a problem with children who may have to sell the property up front to pay the tax? This is extreme communism.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Communism? I am sure people on social welfare in Ireland would not regard that as communism.[Hayden, Aideen]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is extreme communism.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I support my colleague from Clare in the call for a debate on the ambulance service, particularly the emergency ambulance service. As we know, many ambulances are stood down and are not available when required throughout the country. In my own county of Kerry, two emergency amb...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He was here yesterday.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I know that, but the situation has not been resolved and we need urgent action. Obviously, when the House rises, the situation is not going to be improved.
On an important point, the skillsets simply are not there. We know the answer we have been getting, which is that the jo...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is way over time.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I wish to raise a point of order. Senator Hayden should let constituents in Dún Laoghaire know her position on inheritance tax.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] That is not a point of order.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [398]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] She should let them know her position. It is the wealthiest constituency in the country.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Coghlan, without interruption, please.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I agree with my colleague, Senator Michael Mullins, in regard to the young man who was falsely imprisoned in Egypt. We have to rely totally at this stage on the diplomatic efforts being made and led by the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade. Of course, there is no argument ...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] We are not discussing next week's business. We are on today's business.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I just mentioned it by way of information which, I am sure, the Leader will clarify further. As the Cathaoirleach is always inviting questions I ask the Leader if he would clarify that issue when he responds.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] What Bill is the Senator talking about?[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I have no doubt he will respond.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] What Bill did the Senator mention that we are not taking on Monday?[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Urban Regeneration and Housing Bill 2015. It is not concluded in the other House. The Leader mentioned that at the outset.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] That is today.[Daly, Mark]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Senator is taking over the Leader's role.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I am not. I can see the smile on your face but far be it from me-----[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Will the Senator please-----[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] NAMA must be doing well this morning before the Committee of Public Accounts given that my good friend and colleague failed to mention it.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Is the Senator asking for the transparency Bill to be brought back in by Fianna Fáil? We will do that if the Senator supports it.[Daly, Mark]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [399]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] We are getting ourselves into a bit of a mess in this House. We now have a policy to drive lone parents into poverty and the Whip of the smaller party in the coalition Government is opposed to that policy, yet we cannot get the Minister to attend the House-----[Craughwell, Gerar...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [400]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Which House?[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [400]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] -----to support that. In view of this I second Senator Norris's proposal.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [400]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is already seconded.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [400]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I will third it to make sure it gets over the line.
I am sure Members are aware that yesterday the Irish Congress of Trade Unions decided to oppose the imposition of additional water charges. We are trying to ram legislation through this House which started last night. I ask ...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [400]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I am glad Senator Craughwell has raised what is a very sensitive issue about pensions. I understand from reading the newspapers today, particularly the Irish Independent, which seems to be obsessed about pay and pensions in these Houses, that there is some talk of volunteerism. ...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [400]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Do not.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [401]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I will not do it because Amnesty, generally, has got a proud and long history of looking after people. When I and many others in this House, Senator Norris being one, have down through the years raised human rights issues it has been in the forefront when nobody else cared but o...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [401]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I agree with my colleague, Senator Paschal Mooney, on the matter in regard to Amnesty. When it presented its report to the Joint Committee on Health and Children I decided not to comment on it because I felt that the research provided to the committee was not properly done. I h...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [401]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I welcome the publication of the European Commission's third report on Ireland since we exited the bailout. In particular, I note the Commission's observation that the standard variable rate charged by banks here is "relatively high". One might conclude, therefore, that the aut...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [402]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I do not intend to comment on the incident in which I was involved personally last Wednesday night other than to say that since it happened, I have been contacted by a large number of councillors from around the country to tell me how their access into and out of council meetings...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [402]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] True.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [402]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] In Carlow, councillors had to leave their cars, in many cases overnight, because of the activities of protestors, some of whom are either directly attached or purport to be attached to Members of the other House. That is absolutely disgraceful and cannot be allowed to go on. In...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [402]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Will the Leader and the Committee on Procedure and Privileges review how the Order of Business is conducted in the House? Many of us - I include myself among that number, from time to time - come in for the Order of Business and speak off the top of our heads on matters that do ...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [403]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] What about the issue the Senator raised recently concerning Kells?[Landy, Denis]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [403]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] That was a legislative matter. On the particular day the Visitors Gallery was full of people from Kells.[Byrne, Thomas]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [403]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] That is why the Senator raised the matter.[Landy, Denis]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [403]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is not one of the issues sometimes raised here that create mirth and laughter. It was an issue of general concern to thousands of people.
An issue that is of even broader concern to people in this country is that of mortgage arrears. The Government promised two months ago ...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Will the Leader agree to make arrangements after the summer recess for a pre-budget debate with the Minister for Finance? I heard part of the Minister's interview this morning on Newstalk in which he indicated his proposals to cut the universal social charge by at least one perc...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [403]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I heard on the news yesterday that the Web Summit is returning to Dublin this year from 3 to 5 November and approximately 32,000 people are expected to take part. In conjunction with the Web Summit last year, the Surf Summit was held in Sligo and it had approximately 200 partici...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [404]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I agree with some of what Senator Byrne said. However, while Members of the House must be temperate in the issues they raise, the decision on what to cover is a matter for the media. The media have a poor record. They pick the ludicrous and ridiculous contributions made in the...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [404]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I do not know what Senator Heffernan would say if somebody were to propose a referendum that would allow his right to continue living to be the issue.
The Leader might recall that in December 2014, I called on the Minister for Health, Deputy Varadkar, to investigate what was, i...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Are you asking for the report to be published and for a debate on it?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [405]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Yes. In particular, I am asking if the Leader could intervene with the Minister for Health and ask him to order the release of the report. The previous Minister for Health said that there would be no further breaches of procurement rules by that hospital group. To maintain pub...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [405]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator White raised the question of inheritance tax with specific reference to her new constituency. On the general issue of tax, including inheritance tax, if we reduce tax in one area it must be recovered in another area. I am sure the Minister for Finance would welcome sugg...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [405]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Change it anyway.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [405]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Leader, without interruption.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [405]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I note the Senator's comments on the cuts to one-parent family payments and the comments made by Senator Norris regarding Deputy Stagg. They are the views of the Deputy and I cannot comment on what he puts in e-mails and so forth. I will not accept the proposed amendment to the...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [405]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It was not the first time I raised it.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He was out of order-----[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He is grandstanding every day.[Coghlan, Paul]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] His references to the President and asking him to intervene in this regard were completely out of order.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I would not agree with the Leader, actually.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Leader, without interruption.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The next hearing in the case of Ibrahim Halawa is scheduled to take place on 2 August. Once again, the Irish embassy officials will attend. In the meantime, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade officials in Dublin and Cairo will continue to work actively behind the scenes to...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [406]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I had more success getting a prisoner out of Greece.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I believe this is a comprehensive reply to Senator Leyden.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is comprehensive. I agree with the Leader.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] It is a comprehensive response.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I went to Greece and got a prisoner out.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Leader, without interruption.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] They are the facts of the situation. If Senator Leyden chooses to grandstand on the issue, I cannot prevent him from doing that.[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I have a track record of getting people out of jail.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Mullins raised the question-----[Cummins, Maurice]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Castlerea is in your constituency, Senator Leyden.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] No, I am talking about Greece.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator Mullins also raised the plight of asthma sufferers, a matter raised by Senator Landy on the Order of Business yesterday with reference to the clinical programme.
Senator Reilly raised the question of the impact of Britain leaving the European Union, the joint committee ...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I know, but he did not deal with the issues in our motion.[Daly, Mark]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [407]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] He dealt comprehensively with the matter and I understand he made a further statement on the issue.
Senator Coghlan asked about next week. I had indicated that we would be sitting five days next week but now we will be sitting on four days. We will not be sitting on the Monda...
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09/07/2015 [Order of Business] That was afterwards, simply for the optics.[White, Mary M.]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [408]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] The Leader, without interruption.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] I listened to Senator White without any interruption. I did not interrupt any person. It was this Government which introduced reforms in order that Members of the Oireachtas would not be paid official officeholder pensions while they were still sitting Members. New laws were i...Vol-241 Book-6 Page [408]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Senator David Norris has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business, "That No. 68, motion 16, be taken today." Is the amendment being pressed?[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [409]
09/07/2015 [Order of Business] Yes.[Norris, David]Vol-241 Book-6 Page [409]
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