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22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Order of Business is No. 1, Minimum Custodial Periods upon Conviction for Murder Bill 2017 – Second Stage (resumed) to be taken at 12.45 p.m. and to conclude not later than 1.30 p.m.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] How long will participants have on that Bill? How long can they speak for?[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is the same under Standing Orders, eight minutes and five minutes.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is set out in Standing Orders.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Eight minutes and five minutes.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the Senator.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] No. 2, statements on tracker mortgages to taken at 1.30 p.m. and to conclude not later than 2.45 p.m., with the contributions of groups spokespersons not to exceed eight minutes, all other Senators not to exceed five minutes and the Minister to be given no less than five minutes ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [457]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] We welcome the fact that the Tánaiste, Deputy Fitzgerald, is coming before the House to address the issues that are so much in the public eye at the moment. Of course, she is well regarded and well respected in this House for her work as a Senator, a Deputy and a Minister, but t...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [458]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I agree with much of what my colleague, Senator Mark Daly, said. We in this country have a tendency to try to bury the truth. If that fails, we go on a witch-hunt and pursue the wrongdoers. When it gets too close for comfort, the wrongdoers resign, take their pensions or go of...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [458]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I want to refer to the "RTÉ Investigates" programme, which, I am sure, all Senators watched last night. It just so happens that it was a neighbour of mine, Mary Comber from Scanlon Park in Castleconnell, who was featured. She is the poor lady who had to sell her jewellery in or...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [459]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [460]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Yet here we are, in 2017, and there is still a cohort of racists and bigots in our soccer. The problem is also widespread in our society. I would go so far as to say that every political party in this country has members who hold racist views. I would like a debate on racism. ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [460]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [460]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [460]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I wish to raise two issues on the Order of Business. The first issue concerns the Tánaiste and an email. There is no doubt in my mind that when the email arrived in the Department of Justice and Equality it should have raised a red flag. When I performed a quick search on my c...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [460]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I wish Senator Craughwell a happy birthday although I know he has left. I hope he has a nice day.[Byrne, Maria]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] He does not look his age.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Let him eat cake.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I rise today to raise the issue of pyrite. A number of people from an estate in Limerick have informed me that they have been told by an independent assessor that there is pyrite in their houses. When I contacted the Pyrite Resolution Board I was told that because their estate ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the Senator for her usual brevity.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I request the Leader of the House to arrange for the Minister for Finance and Public Expenditure and Reform to come to the House to discuss the reduction in the interest paid for prize bonds. The National Treasury Management Agency has decided to again reduce the prize pool avai...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Boyhan, Victor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Broadcasting the draw would mean people would know who won the prize.
I wish to make a further suggestion. The yearly payout was €28 million but it is now €15.5 million and a prize bond costs about €25.[Leyden, Terry]
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22/11/2017 [Order of Business] One is restricted in the number of prize bonds one can buy.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [461]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Yes. We must all try to do something about the homeless situation. I suggest that prize bonds are renamed the housing prize bonds as it would encourage people to invest their money. People feel very helpless because as many as 3,000 children and their families are without a ho...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [462]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I ask the Leader to extend, with the approval of the House, an invitation to An Taoiseach, Deputy Leo Varadkar. He would be very welcome here and it would be a great opportunity for the House to hear what he has to say and for him to engage with this important part of the Houses...Vol-254 Book-7
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [462]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] -----before the end of the year or, if he could not fit it into his schedule, very early in the new year. One must admire his communication skills and how he engages with social media, his weekly press releases to the nation and his statements from his office and from Europe, bu...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [462]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Cyberstalking and cybersafety, especially for children, have become extreme. They are hunted down and targeted, and many young children are distressed and upset by this. Several of them, including some as young as ten, have died by suicide. We are dealing with it to some exten...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [462]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Will the Leader arrange for a debate in the House on tourism, in particular a discussion on how tourism is being affected by Brexit? Perhaps the Minister, Deputy Ross, might come in and outline what strategy, if any, he has to deal with the continual and worrying slide in visito...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [463]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] In recent days, two significant figures have indicated their intention to withdraw from public life, namely, Robert Mugabe and Deputy Gerry Adams. One has to respect Deputy Gerry Adams for the way in which he drew Provisional Sinn Féin away from the gun and violence, and in so d...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [463]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Will Senator Norris go for the leadership?[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [463]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] No, I would not join Sinn Féin but I would support its very positive contribution to public life in Ireland. I welcome it and it is terrific, but I would just say it needs to disinfect itself from the violence of the past. The Protestant side was just as bad if not worse, but t...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [464]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am sure our Sinn Féin colleagues will take the Senator's advice on board.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [464]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Gabhaim buíochas le Seanadóir Norris as a chomhairle. I am sure we will bring it to the next Ard Comhairle meeting for discussion.
Often, when we raise housing issues, the Leader lambastes us with figures of allocations from Rebuilding Ireland and all the moneys being made ava...
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22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Do tell us.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [464]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] We need much more co-operation across the board on the matter and the general housing issue.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [464]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] This morning, along with Senator Lombard and other members of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine, we launched a report on the future of the tillage sector. As was rightly said at the launch, this document is a starting point for debate and discuss...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [464]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I support my friend and colleague, Senator Ned O'Sullivan, in his call for a debate on tourism and particularly his concern regarding the British visitors about whom we are all concerned. Sadly, their numbers are down by about 6% at the moment. I believe the tourism authorities...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [465]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank my colleague, Senator Norris, for his lovely remarks. However, I must correct the record; it was actually Elisha McCallion, the MP for Foyle, who referred to Martin McGuinness as a proud IRA man. We are proud of Martin McGuinness in his entirety - all of him and everyth...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [465]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] They should be hanging from the walls.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [465]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] When we have a Fine Gael Taoiseach, we have a proud IRA man in the Taoiseach's office. When we have a Fianna Fáil Taoiseach, we have a proud IRA man hanging in the office.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [465]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] All rubbish.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is important to point out that the IRA left the stage in 2005, thankfully down to much of the work of Deputy Adams and Martin McGuinness.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator should be ashamed of that remark.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am not even remotely ashamed.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader will have an opportunity to respond.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am merely making the point and highlighting the inconsistency.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Deputy Adams was never in the IRA. We all know that because he told us so and we have to believe every word of his.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I ask Senator Norris to respect the Chair and allow Senator Ó Donnghaile to make his contribution. If it touches raw nerves in some people, they should respect his right to contribute.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Thank you, a Chathaoirligh.
Yesterday, a Sinn Féin delegation met the British Prime Minister, Mrs. Theresa May, and told her that her government must bear the greater responsibility for the failure to reach agreement on the restoration of the institutions in the North. The pro...
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22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I wish to raise the issue of CCTV systems. In April, the Minister for Justice and Equality launched a community-based CCTV system to help secure communities and assist the Garda in its work. Under the scheme, community groups can avail of a grant of up to 60% of the total cost ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [466]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I commend Senator Daly's comments regarding the important report on the future of the tillage industry in Ireland, produced by the Joint Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine and published this morning. This is the start of a conversation to ensure that the tillage indus...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [467]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] As bitcoin pushes beyond the €8,000 mark this week I call on the Leader to liaise with the Department and Minister for Finance regarding their policy on bitcoin, of which I understand we currently have none. Today, bitcoin was the cause of two large American technology companies...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [467]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] This week is alcohol awareness week on an EU-wide basis. We spent many hours last week discussing the issue of binge drinking and alcohol abuse, and the terrible consequences of this for society. Last Sunday, an advertisement was placed in the Sunday Independent by one of Irela...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [468]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I agree with Senator Mulherin's comments in which she articulated the nub of the issue very well. It is the multiples that are happy with the Public Health (Alcohol) Bill and for good reason. The fact that the Minister is willing to compromise in regard to the lower percentage ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [468]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I commend RTÉ on its "RTÉ Investigates" programme last night. One wonders if it is RTÉ or the HSE that is running our health service. We owe a debt of gratitude to Una Smith. I agree that there are fantastic consultants in our hospital system. Many of them are doing a really ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [468]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I was here many years ago, when former Deputy Mary Harney was Minister for Health. We talked about the 2008 hospital consultant issues. At the time I asked who had the power to take on the consultants. Somebody always asked me what the difference between a consultant and God w...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [469]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I agree with the previous speakers after seeing, last night, what has happened in our hospitals. This is the start of what is going to happen. I have read in the newspaper that, as part of the measures to reduce emergency room numbers, my own hospital in Carlow-Kilkenny, St. Lu...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [469]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Before I call the Leader, I have been asked by a Member on the Government side to welcome to the public Gallery Noel Noonan, Pat Sheehan and Derry and Dolores O'Connor from Limerick. I ask the Leader to respond.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [470]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the 22 Members of the House who have participated in the Order of Business this morning.
Senators Mark Daly, Craughwell and Humphreys raised the issue of the Department of Justice and Equality and Sergeant Maurice McCabe. As I made clear, this side of the House has one...
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22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Tell that to the Tánaiste.[Clifford-Lee, Lorraine]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [470]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is okay, Senator. The Tánaiste is aware of the situation and it ill-behoves all of us to use it as a political football with that kind of remark.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [470]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senators should not interrupt. The Leader was kind enough to facilitate the debate for an hour this evening at short notice. Those who wish to contribute should be present and listen to what the Tánaiste has to say. Whether questions are allowed or not is a matter for the Lead...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [470]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I agree with Senator Daly that we all have a duty to protect and support whistleblowers in every sphere and, as Senator Craughwell mentioned about the ongoing case, we should protect, support and encourage whistleblowers. That is why we have new legislation.
The Cathaoirleach ...
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22/11/2017 [Order of Business] We do that frequently.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I have not heard one-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Does Senator Buttimer want us to read our policy document? This is ridiculous.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I have not heard one proposal from Sinn Féin.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Will Senator Buttimer change home help hours from minutes to hours? There is a proposal.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Conway-Walsh should look at Sinn Féin's performance in the North of our country in government and the way it has treated the health system there.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Buttimer is hearing that. We do this every day.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Buttimer read the pre-budget submission.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is the reality.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Did he mislead the House? He told us he read our pre-budget submission.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I did not mislead the House at all.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Buttimer said he read the pre-budget submission. There were plenty of suggestions there.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Allow the Leader to respond.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Minister is committed-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader is misleading the House.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The question I asked was-----[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Minister is committed to improving access for public health patients-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] -----if the Taoiseach would answer the question about the data.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] -----in hospital care.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I ask the Leader to hold on a second. If there is an issue which the Senator is not satisfied about she can raise it again tomorrow but I cannot allow Senators who have spoken, some for two and three minutes, to cut across.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [471]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I just want the Leader to answer the question.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] If the Senator is not happy with what the Leader is saying, she can challenge it tomorrow morning.[An Cathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] If one was to listen to the Sinn Féin Party-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Here we go again.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader never answers a question. I asked him why the Taoiseach stopped the data being-----[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Does the Cathaoirleach find these constant interruptions as boring as I do?[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Norris should stop interrupting then.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] If the Leader answered the question, we would not interrupt.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The line of thought followed by Sinn Féin would drive consultants out of the country. We want to have them here, to pay them properly and to have them work in a proper health system in which they can deliver for their patients. Senator Conway-Walsh has no proposal-----[Buttimer...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] There are 600,000 people on the waiting list.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] None.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Fair play to the Leader.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Let us look at the example. First of all, none of us wants to see people waiting on a hospital waiting list for any procedure.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader should do something about it.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The number of people on the waiting list for cataract treatment for more than 15 months has been reduced from 1,694 to 421. There has been a 16% reduction in the public waiting list.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Wow. That is fantastic. I will tell that to the 600,000 people who are waiting.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Perhaps the Senator can tell it to her head office and have the speech changed for tomorrow.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Yes, that is what I will do.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] That National Treatment Purchase Fund-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader might tell that to the hundreds of children who are waiting for physiotherapy.[Conway-Walsh, Rose]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [472]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] The National Treatment Purchase Fund has offered treatment plans to 3,103 patients and half of those people have accepted them. The Minister and the Government are committed to reducing waiting times and to improving access. We all want to see compliance put in place. That is ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [473]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I did not use that word.[O'Donnell, Marie-Louise]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [473]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am using that word myself. We do not have an obligation to do so and should not have to. We have statements. If the Senators want to have statements on statements, we can have a discussion about it, but our role is having the Minister into the House for statements. In terms...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [473]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the Leader very much.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [473]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Boyhan asked for the Taoiseach to come to the House. I have put that request to the Department of the Taoiseach. He is looking forward to coming to the House and having a debate with us on a variety of issues. I hope it will be possible to have him in the House before ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [473]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Is the Leader saying the reports are wrong?[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Government has allocated €1.8 billion in the budget.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] It can allocate away but it needs to build.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I agree with the Senator, we do. I gave the Senator a figure last week but he did not like it. In the city of Cork, 634 units are being constructed as we speak.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] There were zero houses built in Galway last year.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Some €155 million is being invested in the city of Cork alone.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] That is a fact.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I commend the Senator on praising the Galway Traveller Movement for its work. As a former chair of Cork City Council's committee on Travellers, I believe it is important that we understand that Travellers have housing needs which must be met. There is an obligation and duty on ...Vol-254 Book-7 Page [474]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] Absolutely.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-7 Page [475]
22/11/2017 [Order of Business] I would be happy to work with the Senator Gallagher on the matter.
Senator Davitt raised the issue of the Bitcoin payment system. The Central Bank is examining its potential impact. I would be happy to arrange for the Minister to come to the House to discuss that issue.
Sen...
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