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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Order of Business is No. 1, Landlord and Tenant (Ground Rents) (Amendment) Bill 2017 - Second Stage to be taken at 12.45 p.m. with the time allocated to this debate not to exceed two hours; No. 2, Statement by the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and the Environmen...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [695]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I was alarmed to learn today that the Assistant Garda commissioner, Mr. Pat Leahy, has issued a direction to the Dublin metropolitan area that all overtime cease on the basis that the budget has been exhausted. We learn this through the Garda Representative Association, GRA, who...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [695]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I want to raise a most important issue that falls under the brief of the Minister for Justice and Equality. Tomorrow, the Supreme Court will sit again on the very important case of N.H.V. v. the Minister for Justice and Equality.[Lawless, Billy]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [696]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [696]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am aware that this issue was debated before the Dáil following a strong recommendation from the Joint Committee on Justice and Equality's Report on Immigration, Asylum and the Refugee Crisis. This is an issue close to my heart, having worked for over 15 years with the undocume...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [696]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the Leas-Chathaoirleach as I will be leaving for the United States in the morning, and I will take this opportunity to wish a very happy Christmas to the Leader, the Cathaoirleach, my fellow Seanadóirí-----[Lawless, Billy]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] A happy Christmas to Senator Lawless too, in America.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank Senator Norris. I especially wish the staff of this House a happy Christmas and thank them very much.[Lawless, Billy]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank Senator Lawless and wish him a happy Christmas too.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is a bit early for Christmas for me. I ask the Seanad to amend the Order of Business to ask the Taoiseach to come in to give an account, to quote his own words, of this dysfunctional Government's handling of one the biggest critical and moral crises to face a Government in ma...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is not a dysfunctional Government.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I listened to the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Flanagan, speaking in the Dáil last night. If one had closed one's eyes, one would think one was listening to the discredited former Tánaiste, Deputy Fitzgerald, who was forced by the court of public opinion to resign y...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] That is right. It was the court of public opinion.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] How did the Minister for Justice and Equality respond when told by Mr. Noel Waters, a senior civil servant in his Department, about the existence of an email with Sergeant McCabe's name in it? He told the Dáil last night that he did not ask Mr. Noel Waters about the email regard...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Mr. Noel Waters rang him to say that he was resigning. That was the main point.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Minister, Deputy Flanagan, treated the email as if it did not exist.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We look forward to hearing Senator Norris in due course.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] For seven days, the Minister ignored the existence of the email. He did not even tell the Taoiseach about its existence. Is that credible? Neither I nor the public think so. I was alarmed to hear the Minister, Deputy Flanagan, tell the Dáil last night that two trawls for docu...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Fianna Fáil stole Sinn Féin's head and now it is looking for another.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The trawls failed to turn up the relevant emails that led to the resignation of Deputy Fitzgerald. The saga continues. We then discovered from the Minister, Deputy Flanagan, that, amazingly, none of the emails of senior officials around Deputy Fitzgerald, including her, had bee...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [697]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is not. The Senator should know the Constitution.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Its Members require respect. I call on the Leader to invite the Taoiseach to this House to answer those questions.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I want to clarify what the Senator is seeking.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] An amendment to the Order of Business.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator has proposed an amendment. I call Senator Humphreys.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I was fairly shocked when listening to "Morning Ireland" this morning when I heard about the ban on overtime for members of the Garda in this city. Gardaí were sent home last night from stations after being told that there was no money to pay for them to work. There is an urgen...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] To the Order of Business?[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] To the Order of Business, sorry.[Humphreys, Kevin]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator said Standing Orders.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I beg the Leas-Chathaoirleach's pardon. I propose an amendment to the Order of Business, that the Minister for Justice and Equality should attend the House today to tell us how this city will be policed over the next four weeks. One hears from the GRA that the Garda does not ha...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [698]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I congratulate an off-duty fireman in Limerick, Des Fitzgerald, who rescued two ladies from the River Shannon on 18 September. He is to be honoured by Waterways Ireland today.
Mr. Willie Walsh of the International Airlines Group, IAG, has committed to the development of Shanno...
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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I ask the Leader, Senator Buttimer, to ask the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Charles Flanagan-----[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I cannot hear the Senator.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] That is unusual.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] That is unusual.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I ask the Minister to attend the House to discuss the issues that have been raised by my colleagues, in particular Senator Ardagh, who is familiar with the situation in Dublin and throughout the country. To say that I am alarmed would be an understatement. Assistant Commissione...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Exactly.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] He said it six times.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] A stroke by the Minister, Deputy Ross.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] He told the Committee of Public Accounts that, if he got extra manpower today, he would send it to Ballyfermot and the Dublin inner city before Stepaside. Stepaside was a political decision. Why was the Tarmonbarry station on the bridge between Dublin, Roscommon and Castlebar n...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator has gone into injury time.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] As the former Taoiseach told me, he promised to open Stepaside, but he did not promise there would be gardaí. There seem to be no gardaí going to Stepaside. It was the most blatant political manoeuvre, and now we know the full detail of the-----[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [699]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator has gone over his allocated time.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leas-Chathaoirleach might not like to hear my views.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We have gone over time. That is all.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Really?[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Yes.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Devine is not too bad at this herself.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator is 15 seconds over time. Please, wind up.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] This from a party that is spending €5 million on propaganda. The last socialist democratic party in Germany had such a unit as well, so it does not surprise me. Knowing the background-----[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator is going back to his old ways.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank Senator Leyden, but he has made his point.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the Leas-Chathaoirleach, but some might find it difficult to hear the truth.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Can Senator Leyden spell that word?[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Government will spend €5 million on propaganda but not on overtime for gardaí in Dublin. It is a disgrace.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator is out of order.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] No. This Government is out of order.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] No. The Senator is out of order. I call Senator Boyhan.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Please, I have called Senator Boyhan.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I second the amendment to have the Minister for Justice and Equality brought here. I also wish to discuss the policing issue. It will affect many major urban centres, particularly Dublin. Gardaí went home yesterday distraught, annoyed and frustrated at the fact that their work...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [700]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] He cannot come here today. Does the Senator know the rules of the House at all?[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Time is just up.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I will support a move to have the Minister attend today.[Boyhan, Victor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Does the Senator know the rules of the House at all?[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Order, please.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Is there a shortage of paper? In the old days, we used to get little pieces of paper on which to make notes.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] That is right.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] There has been much talk about political accountability on the face of a couple of emails and so on, but what about the real problems? No one seems to be addressing them. First, two of the major organisations of the State - the Department of Justice and Equality and the Garda S...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Nothing has been done about the two people involved in that conspiracy. This is the real question of accountability.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] They got their pensions and are gone with them.[Craughwell, Gerard P.]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Yes.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Order, please.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Second, the Department failed to accede to an order for discovery. If the Taoiseach had not demanded a trawl of the Department, we would not have had this discovery. I know a little about discovery. During my many triumphant legal actions, we sought discovery against RTÉ and R...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [701]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I dtosach, tacaím leis an méid atá ráite ag Seanadóir Billy Lawless maidir leis an rialú a rinne an Chúirt Uachtarach maidir le cearta oibre. I support Senator Lawless's comments on the right to work and the Supreme Court decision. It is an important debate and clarification on...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Has he been to Korea?[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I do not believe so, at least not officially.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Will Senator Norris be going there himself?[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Leader, please. Senator Ó Clochartaigh has the floor.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] When will the Taoiseach come to the Seanad? From my recollection, he has not been here yet. That is a disgrace.
I was concerned by some of the Leader's barracking of my colleague, Senator Devine, regarding this Chamber. I do not see this Chamber as playing second fiddle to t...
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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It does. The Senator has been here long enough.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I see this Chamber-----[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Does the Senator know the Constitution?[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Order, please.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It strikes me that, whenever the Leader does not like to hear what we say, he interrupts us. That seems to be a particular-----[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] With the facts and to correct the record.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senators, please.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] That seems to be a particular trend in this Chamber. It is disrespectful and unbecoming of a Leader.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] In fairness to the Senator, he is good at it himself.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] One at a time, please. Senator Ó Clochartaigh has the floor.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Thanks, a Leas-Chathaoirligh. The point that we are trying to make is that this is an equal House in the Parliament. It should be treated so and with the respect that we deserve. We all have a mandate. We are all here with the job of holding the Government to account regardle...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [702]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [703]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] He might not read it.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [703]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I call on him to come to this House to account to us as elected politicians who represent people.
I support the amendment to the Order of Business and I hope our colleagues in Fianna Fáil will support it and stand up for this House, so that we are respected and the Government w...
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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Is the Senator seconding the amendment?[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [703]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Yes.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [703]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] As my party's health spokesperson, I am very aware of the harrowing cases of patients not getting access to life-changing medication, whether because of the HSE refusing to reimburse them or because of serious delays in the reimbursement process. The reimbursement process is bro...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [703]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I wish well to former Senator Denis Landy, following his letter of resignation to the Cathaoirleach yesterday. I wish him well in his retirement and I hope everything works out well for him. He was a very good Member of Seanad Éireann and contributed nearly every week. He was ...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [703]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Burke, Paddy]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is an honour to serve with the longest-serving Member. It is a great achievement for him and he deserves it.[Burke, Paddy]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Perhaps Senator Burke is hoping to join him.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We go back a long way but I understand the House will be talking about it tomorrow.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] This is typical of Senator Paddy Burke.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I ask the Leader to arrange a debate on credit unions. The Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform and Taoiseach launched a report on the credit unions today, after a considerable amount of work compiling it. It is a very good report and I ask the Leader to br...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I was not here yesterday but I join with the Senator in sending best wishes to Senator Denis Landy, who has retired. I wish him well in the future.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I also congratulate Senator Norris on his achievement. Well done, Senator.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I wish to raise two issues. The first is the necessity to have a debate here with the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Charles Flanagan. This time last week we on this side of the House were accused of all sorts of things relating to the former Minister, Deputy Frances...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [704]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] There has been a lot this week about taking political heads, as Senator Norris said. Anybody who participates in an attempt to destroy the reputation of a decent, honest man deserves everything that is coming to them but Fintan O'Toole writes in The Irish Times today about the s...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [705]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Everybody is running into injury time today. The time allocated for the Order of Business is two minutes. I call Senator Paul Gavan.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [705]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Today is international day of solidarity with the Palestinian people. Yesterday, SADAKA held an excellent conference which unfortunately I was only able to attend briefly. It had contributions from across the political spectrum and all were welcome. I remind the Leader that I ...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [705]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I answered the Senator yesterday in a reply to the Order of Business.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am calling for -----[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Leader, please.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I answered the Senator yesterday.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader's obstruction is becoming beyond a joke at this point.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader will respond in a few minutes.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader had his chance to answer the question. The fact is that he has not given one good reason why the Taoiseach should not come in here. The reason is that there is a huge lack of confidence in the Taoiseach among Fine Gael Party members. He had his first major test and ...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the Senator.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We are glad to be back here today. Sinn Féin will always look at things negatively. Nobody won the last general election. Deputy Mícheál Martin and the Taoiseach met and found a solution to the latest crisis. What had to happen, had to happen, there had to be accountability, ...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] What about the health crisis, the homeless crisis-----[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Exactly.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Fianna Fáil should be putting the Government out of power.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I read in today's newspapers that yesterday a Galway court heard 82 repossessions. For that to happen three weeks before Christmas is a disaster.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Hear, hear. It is a disgrace.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The tracker mortgage scandal is a blight on this country. Like the Famine, it has caused people to be turned out of their homes and families separated. We should be under no illusions about the effect it has had on thousands of lives, and it will be felt for many years in the f...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [706]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] How is Fianna Fáil looking after them? It is propping up the Government.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We are not doing enough. The Central Bank calls for individual executives and board members of the Irish banks to be held accountable for overcharging of at least 20,000 mortgage customers. These calls are not enough. Threats of fines from the Government do not go far enough. ...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator's two minutes are up.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] As a Government we can try and solve these issues. We can all work together.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Who is in Government? They are all in this together, as a Government.[Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We are here in a confidence and supply agreement. At least we are trying to work and look after the people of the country.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator has gone well over time.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Sinn Féin has to have a rant every day.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Order. The Senator has had her say. I call Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile. I call order for the speaker.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I hope that my clock has not started yet.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator need not worry.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I find it very funny, almost pantomime-esque when Senator Murnane O'Connor comes in here and accuses others of being negative.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Sinn Féin comes in here every day, and it will not go into Government.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Murnane O'Connor is out of order. The only person who may respond is the Leader.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Okay.[O'Connor, Jennifer Murnane]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [707]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is fine. The Leader will defer to his partner in Government to respond for him.
There is some tick-tack back and forward but it is not too much for the Members of this House to ask the Taoiseach to come before it, and the request should not be treated with such hostility,...
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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is not hostile at all.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [708]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Maybe when we ask for it the Leader will not give us the kind of cheek that he has given us over this past session.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [708]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senators asked for it yesterday.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [708]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I want to add to the remarks by my colleague, Senator Gavan, regarding today being the UN international day of solidarity with the Palestinian people. It is not to diminish the harsh reality faced by people in this city, and across the State and across Ireland in its entirety, a...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [708]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I want to highlight the debate taking place this evening on the horse and greyhound racing fund. The Leader agreed to my request that the debate be extended beyond the original 45 minutes. We are looking at the allocation of some €64 million next year to the horse and greyhound...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [708]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] On a point of order, the Senator referred a number of times to Members going over their time. In the old Seanad Chamber, there was a clock. I suggest that a clock be put on the wall.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] There is a clock on the wall.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is terribly small; it is like a watch.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I have a clock here. It is the same as in the previous Chamber.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Could I remind the House that, despite our many talents, Senators do not have eyes on the backs of their heads. If we are addressing the Chair, we cannot be looking at the clock.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Chair determines the order.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senators are all out of order. I call on the Leader to respond.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thank the 17 Members who contributed on the Order of Business. It definitely feels like a pantomime season here this morning.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader is being hard on himself.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Níor chuala mé. Abair arís é.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I said the Leader is being hard on himself.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I have not started yet.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] He is saying, "Oh, no, I am not."[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Please. I am glad the Senators are all in such good humour.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I thought Sinn Féin was a non-interrupting party.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Please, Senator Norris.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senators Ardagh, Humphreys, Leyden, Boyhan, Ó Clochartaigh and Ó Ríordáin raised the issue of Garda overtime. I would be very happy to have the Minister come to the House this evening. There is no need to be worried about that. Senator Humphreys should note that I always endea...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [709]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] At what time is he coming in?[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Order, please. The Leader without interruption.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am in the process of giving my reply.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader said he is coming to the House.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] How could he possibly know the time?[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Leyden is out of order. He knows that. The Leader without interruption.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I will-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator is being very rude.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Leyden should desist.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It ill-behoves Senator Leyden to act in such a manner. This was a matter that was put to the House by Senator Humphreys, who approached me before this debate to express that he was going to do this. This is not about political opportunism on his part, in fairness. Senator Leyd...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I jumped the gun.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator does it every day. It ill-behoves him. The Minister will come to the House and I will be happy to work with the group leaders at our group meeting at 12.45 p.m. to arrange for a time. It is a very urgent matter. The comment this morning by the Assistant Commission...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Not again.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is a fact. The Senator does not like the facts. Some 1,400 gardaí were recruited since Templemore was re-opened. To put matters in context, the overtime budget for the Garda for 2017 is €130 million. The budget for 2018 provides €100 million for overtime. The management a...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [710]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] That is not true.[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is the reality.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] You are wrong on that.[Gavan, Paul]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Of course I am wrong. They interrupt me when they do not get the answer they like.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I will interrupt the Leader listening to-----[Ó Donnghaile, Niall]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Sorry, Senators-----[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator accused me-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am sorry. I cannot allow any interruptions at that stage. Allow the Leader to conclude.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] -----of interrupting, then when he did not get the answer-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Take that up again tomorrow.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader is evading the real issue.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Leader's response, without interruption.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I join Senator Byrne in congratulating Des Fitzgerald on his act of bravery. It is fantastic that many engage in acts of heroism. I compliment him. I welcome the announcement by Willie Walsh regarding the development of new routes out of Shannon Airport. I think I answered Se...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It was a question of accountability about the conspiracy by the Garda-----[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We can all engage in political gamesmanship, which we do. A process has been established called a tribunal of inquiry. Everybody I know in politics, at least on this side of the House, wants the tribunal on the case of Garda McCabe to reach its full conclusion and his good name...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] No.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Long before last week, I said that the discovery of documents for a tribunal should not require an order from the Taoiseach and a trawl of information. It should be automatically provided-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [712]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Complied with.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] -----and complied with.
I welcome the family Senator Swanick mentioned, in particular Grace. Orphan drugs are important. As a former chair of a joint committee it is an issue of which I am very aware. I would be happy for the Minister to come to the House regarding the impor...
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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I have found the Leader the same.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Out of respect to Senator Norris, if Members wish to make contributions on the Order of Business on his longevity of tenure and re-election-----[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I hope my longevity is assured, but I do not think the Seanad can do that.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] One never knows.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] We look forward to that tomorrow.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] On Senator Burke's comments on the credit union movement, I would be happy to have a debate on that.
Senator Craughwell referred to an issue of accountability. I laughed at the opening the veil on the Sir Humphreys line. Many fine people work in the Houses of the Oireachtas a...
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29/11/2017 [Order of Business] As well as the Department of Justice and Equality.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] The Senator seems to have an urge to be the Leader of the House.[Norris, David]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I think I would do a very good job.[Leyden, Terry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] I am sure he would.[Buttimer, Jerry]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator, you are entitled to your own opinion. You are not allowed to interrupt the Leader.[An Leas-Chathaoirleach]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senators Gavan and Ó Donnghaile raised the issue of the international day of solidarity for the Palestinian people. We all want to join with those comments. I have put the request for a debate to the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Coveney. He is anxious to have...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [713]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] Senator Devine has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business: "That a debate with the Taoiseach on the way in which matters arising recently in respect of the Department of Justice and Equality have been managed would be taken today." Is the amendment being pressed?[An Leas...Vol-254 Book-10 Page [714]
29/11/2017 [Order of Business] It is.[Devine, Máire]Vol-254 Book-10 Page [714]
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