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Order of Business (Continued)

Wednesday, 3 July 2013

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 809 No. 3

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An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Is the proposal for dealing with No. 19, Order for Report, Report and Final Stages of the Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) Bill agreed to?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin No.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Could we have some order please?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Again, I object to the guillotining of this Bill. Twenty-seven amendments have been tabled to that particular legislation and approximately one hour and 20 minutes has been allocated to go through them. This is the third item of legislation this morning the Government is insisting be guillotined through this House.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley Shocking.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Again, this is the Government running the House, deciding what gets debated and for how long, as well as how much time is given for individual amendments. This is jackboot politics and jackboot parliamentarianism.

Deputy Mattie McGrath: Information on Mattie McGrath Zoom on Mattie McGrath Boot-boys.

Deputy Ray Butler: Information on Ray Butler Zoom on Ray Butler Members opposite were there for long enough.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin This is what goes on in here, day in and day out. It flies in the face of what the Government stated it would do in the programme for Government. The Government should tear up the programme for Government and at least be consistent and honest in its approach to the Dáil and Dáil reform.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe Deputy Martin's party tore up its programme.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Please, allow the Deputy.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin While the truth hurts, recent research has demonstrated the degree to which the Government has flouted its own commitments in the programme for Government in respect of Dáil reform. I refer, for example, to the non-attendance last week by the Minister during large parts of the Private Members' Bill on education. Moreover, the number of times Ministers do not turn up for Topical Issue debates is far in excess of what they committed to and promised. In fairness to the Chief Whip himself, he stated the behaviour of Ministers was deplorable in respect of Dáil reform.

Deputies: Hear, hear.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin That is what he said on the front page of The Irish Times.

Deputy Dara Calleary: Information on Dara Calleary Zoom on Dara Calleary The newspaper of record.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I agree with the Chief Whip-----

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe Imagine what I said about the Deputy.

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order please.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I agree with him that the performance of the Government in respect of Dáil reform has been truly deplorable.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte Does Deputy Martin agree with his own chief Whip?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Will the Minister give a commitment to Members that this is the last of this kind of series of measures that would be put before the House before the summer recess?

Deputy Michael McNamara: Information on Michael McNamara Zoom on Michael McNamara Can the Deputy whip his own Chief Whip?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin The Government should have some respect for the House. The Government intends to get rid of the other House and wants to get rid of urban councils.

Deputy Patrick O'Donovan: Information on Patrick O'Donovan Zoom on Patrick O'Donovan The Deputy's days are numbered.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Moreover, it is giving people in the Gaeltacht no vote on who represents them on Údarás na Gaeltachta.

Deputy Dinny McGinley: Information on Dinny McGinley Zoom on Dinny McGinley They are very well represented.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Thank you, Deputy.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin All that will be left is this House, and as far as the Government is concerned, that suits it fine.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin With a majority, it is happy to suppress debate and dissent, as Deputy Mathews knows only too well this morning. Despite his financial acumen and his ability, he was summarily dismissed.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Thank you, Deputy.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin There is an authoritarian streak at the heart of the present Government and it is evident every day.

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Thank you, Deputy. I call Deputy Adams. Order, please.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe The Deputy is trying to save his own skin.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I have made my point. I had intended to bring attention to the Chief Whip's deploring of the Government's lack of good record on Dáil reform.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe Deploring?

Deputy Mattie McGrath: Information on Mattie McGrath Zoom on Mattie McGrath It seems as though he can get something right.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams He is the Minister of State who has the responsibility to bring together the committee that is charged with that responsibility. Consequently, I simply register a protest here on behalf of Sinn Féin.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton First, it is a bit rich listening to Deputy Martin lecturing on Dáil reform. One should not forget that under the previous regime, the Topical Issue debates of which he complains were closeted away at the very end of business when everyone had gone home.

Deputy Billy Kelleher: Information on Billy Kelleher Zoom on Billy Kelleher Ministers do not even turn up. What Chief Whip said that?

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton They now are taken in prime time. One also should not forget that for the first time, as exemplified on this Order Paper in respect of the banking inquiries, the Government brought this issue to the committee-----

Deputy Barry Cowen: Information on Barry Cowen Zoom on Barry Cowen The Government destroyed that last week.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton -----before the heads of Bill were prepared to give the committee an opportunity to make an input. This constitutes opening up legislation to the input of experts, as well as a mature reflection by Deputies of what goes into the Bill. However, Members opposite are complaining that at the end of the procedure, when it is known there is a deadline to get this legislation passed-----

Deputy Brendan Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin Zoom on Brendan Howlin They are grandstanding.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley It is a false deadline.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Quiet, please.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton Despite having had enormous time on Second and Committee Stages, they are refusing to allow a conclusion to be brought.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley No, we seek a debate.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton This is about bringing a conclusion to these Bills. Moreover, when Fianna Fáil was in government, it would not even answer questions on a Thursday. No leaders appeared in the Chamber to answer questions on Thursday.

A Deputy: They still do not.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton Consequently, progress is being made by the Government on Dáil reform. While there is more to be done-----

Deputy Sean Fleming: Information on Seán Fleming Zoom on Seán Fleming Is the Minister, Deputy Bruton, the leader?

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Quiet, please.

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Please allow the Minister to respond.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton A leader comes in for questions from the party leaders on Thursday. Fianna Fáil consistently refused to allow that. Members opposite are not willing to recognise that reform is occurring. While of course a lot more must be done and it is the responsibility of the House to bring in additional reform, Members opposite should have the decency to recognise that significant progress has been made.


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