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Order of Business (Continued)

Wednesday, 3 July 2013

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 809 No. 3

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(Speaker Continuing)

[Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin] Further, it is in the context of a proposal to come before the people in the autumn to abolish the Seanad. What we are witnessing, bit by bit, is an incremental reduction of the democratic process, a dilution of the democratic process and a reduction of scrutiny of all measures. One can imagine a unicameral system with one House where the Government has a majority and it can ram Bills of all consequence through without debate. It says it in the document. Only one question can be voted on now. There is no facility to vote on particular amendments because of the guillotine.

We already know that the Government has clocked up a record in terms of the number of guillotines it has introduced since this Dáil commenced on very serious Bills such as those relating to the property tax, cuts to child benefit and the respite care grant. All of those Bills were rammed through in 24 hours with no room for debate.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg Zoom on Emmet Stagg Chair, Chair.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Please.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I am entitled to speak. Deputy Stagg is not the Chair.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Stop acting with the bully-boy tactics.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley Trotsky is back.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order, please.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Deputy Stagg is not the Chair. There is enough of a power grab going on now. He wants to run the whole show.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley The politburo is back in town.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt I want order, please.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin This is the standing, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Sorry. I want to ask the leaders for a brief contribution on this.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I am entitled to speak. This is a very important Bill. We all have people coming to us who are in mortgage arrears and who are worried about the power of the banks and the attitude of the banks to them.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter Zoom on Alan Shatter They are Fianna Fáil's victims.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin David Hall has said that up to 50 new repossession cases are coming before the courts every month.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg Zoom on Emmet Stagg That is Fianna Fáil's legacy.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley What is Deputy Stagg's legacy?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin He has said there is an increased frequency in the level of approaches of that kind to people in mortgage arrears. No conditionality is being attached-----

Deputy Billy Kelleher: Information on Billy Kelleher Zoom on Billy Kelleher How many bankers has the Minister for Justice and Equality locked up today?

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Please, order.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin There is no independent------

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Please. Standing Orders calls for brief contributions. I ask Deputy Martin to conclude and then we will have Deputy Adams.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I am endeavouring to make my contribution but, in line with the authoritarian streak evident in this Government, all we get is Deputies of the Government parties trying to shout down members of the Opposition when they raise legitimate questions on the Order of Business about the guillotining of Bills, unnecessarily.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Okay. Thank you, Deputy.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin There is no necessity to guillotine this Bill. The spokespeople should be allowed proper time and space to table amendments and to discuss and vote on them. There was no need to guillotine the last measure either.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Thank you, Deputy. We are on this issue now.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I know that and the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Howlin, knows that as well. However, it is being done for the convenience of Government and for the convenience of the Government backbenchers.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt I call Deputy Gerry Adams.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin It is a disgrace. It is treating the House with contempt and treating the programme for Government with contempt as well.

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order, please.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I will not take as long as the leader of Fianna Fáil, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, but I want to make a point. I was watching the faces of some of the newly arrived Deputies during that whole brouhaha-----

Deputy Ciarán Lynch: Information on Ciaran Lynch Zoom on Ciaran Lynch Deputy Adams is one himself.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams -----including me.

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Deputy Adams has the floor.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams The fact is that this shows the character of this Government. The guillotine has been used over 50% of the time in the House. This is particular legislation which is about facilitating the banks to repossess homes.

Deputy Mattie McGrath: Information on Mattie McGrath Zoom on Mattie McGrath It is eviction legislation.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams Let us consider the Government's attitude on this and then, for example, let us consider the failure of the Government to sign up for the Council of Europe Convention on Preventing and Combating Violence against Women and Domestic Violence.

Deputy Brendan Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin Zoom on Brendan Howlin That has nothing to do with it.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams Why does the Government refuse to do that? It is because the Minister for Justice and Equality says it would interfere with a person's property rights.

Deputy Brendan Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin Zoom on Brendan Howlin Please, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Please, Minister, give me a chance. I cannot hear what is going on.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams They are two examples. A battered woman is put out of her own home because the Government has said that to take action would interfere with the abuser's property rights, yet here it is rushing through legislation to facilitate the banks to repossess homes without any care at all for the property rights of the mortgage holder.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton As I stated earlier, these are tranches of legislation that are essentially legacies from the situation that we have inherited in this area. We have to deal with the issues. The issues that we are seeking to bring to a conclusion today are powers in respect of an inquiry.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Brendan Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin Zoom on Brendan Howlin No shouting down, remember.

Deputy Richard Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton Zoom on Richard Bruton They relate to powers to deal with flaws that were in the original Bill in 2009 which were recognised at the time the Bill was being presented and whose consequences were not intended to apply. We are dealing with an issue that had not been dealt with properly in 2009. We are also building into this legislation provision for the new personal insolvency legislation which gives protection to people who are under threat of repossession. We need this legislation.

The legislation we will deal with later is in respect of a commitment made. This is an area where we have made commitments to deliver this legislation in line with agreements with the troika. These are time-limited because of the extraordinary situation we are trying to deal with. We have made commitments and that is why at the end of this process we must get these agreed before the summer recess in accordance with the schedule. That is the background.

Question put: "That the proposal for dealing with No. 18 be agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 84; Níl, 42.

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Information on Breen, Pat.   Zoom on Breen, Pat.   Breen, Pat. Information on Browne, John.   Zoom on Browne, John.   Browne, John.
Information on Bruton, Richard.   Zoom on Bruton, Richard.   Bruton, Richard. Information on Calleary, Dara.   Zoom on Calleary, Dara.   Calleary, Dara.
Information on Butler, Ray.   Zoom on Butler, Ray.   Butler, Ray. Information on Collins, Joan.   Zoom on Collins, Joan.   Collins, Joan.
Information on Buttimer, Jerry.   Zoom on Buttimer, Jerry.   Buttimer, Jerry. Information on Colreavy, Michael.   Zoom on Colreavy, Michael.   Colreavy, Michael.
Information on Byrne, Catherine.   Zoom on Byrne, Catherine.   Byrne, Catherine. Information on Cowen, Barry.   Zoom on Cowen, Barry.   Cowen, Barry.
Information on Byrne, Eric.   Zoom on Byrne, Eric.   Byrne, Eric. Information on Daly, Clare.   Zoom on Daly, Clare.   Daly, Clare.
Information on Carey, Joe.   Zoom on Carey, Joe.   Carey, Joe. Information on Doherty, Pearse.   Zoom on Doherty, Pearse.   Doherty, Pearse.
Information on Coffey, Paudie.   Zoom on Coffey, Paudie.   Coffey, Paudie. Information on Dooley, Timmy.   Zoom on Dooley, Timmy.   Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Collins, Áine.   Zoom on Collins, Áine.   Collins, Áine. Information on Ellis, Dessie.   Zoom on Ellis, Dessie.   Ellis, Dessie.
Information on Conaghan, Michael.   Zoom on Conaghan, Michael.   Conaghan, Michael. Information on Ferris, Martin.   Zoom on Ferris, Martin.   Ferris, Martin.
Information on Conlan, Seán.   Zoom on Conlan, Seán.   Conlan, Seán. Information on Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.   Zoom on Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.   Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.
Information on Connaughton, Paul J.   Zoom on Connaughton, Paul J.   Connaughton, Paul J. Information on Fleming, Sean.   Zoom on Fleming, Sean.   Fleming, Sean.
Information on Conway, Ciara.   Zoom on Conway, Ciara.   Conway, Ciara. Information on Fleming, Tom.   Zoom on Fleming, Tom.   Fleming, Tom.
Information on Coonan, Noel.   Zoom on Coonan, Noel.   Coonan, Noel. Information on Grealish, Noel.   Zoom on Grealish, Noel.   Grealish, Noel.
Information on Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella.   Zoom on Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella.   Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella. Information on Halligan, John.   Zoom on Halligan, John.   Halligan, John.
Information on Creighton, Lucinda.   Zoom on Creighton, Lucinda.   Creighton, Lucinda. Information on Healy, Seamus.   Zoom on Healy, Seamus.   Healy, Seamus.
Information on Daly, Jim.   Zoom on Daly, Jim.   Daly, Jim. Information on Healy-Rae, Michael.   Zoom on Healy-Rae, Michael.   Healy-Rae, Michael.
Information on Deasy, John.   Zoom on Deasy, John.   Deasy, John. Information on Keaveney, Colm.   Zoom on Keaveney, Colm.   Keaveney, Colm.
Information on Deenihan, Jimmy.   Zoom on Deenihan, Jimmy.   Deenihan, Jimmy. Information on Kelleher, Billy.   Zoom on Kelleher, Billy.   Kelleher, Billy.
Information on Doherty, Regina.   Zoom on Doherty, Regina.   Doherty, Regina. Information on Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.   Zoom on Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.   Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
Information on Donohoe, Paschal.   Zoom on Donohoe, Paschal.   Donohoe, Paschal. Information on McConalogue, Charlie.   Zoom on McConalogue, Charlie.   McConalogue, Charlie.
Information on Doyle, Andrew.   Zoom on Doyle, Andrew.   Doyle, Andrew. Information on McDonald, Mary Lou.   Zoom on McDonald, Mary Lou.   McDonald, Mary Lou.
Information on Durkan, Bernard J.   Zoom on Durkan, Bernard J.   Durkan, Bernard J. Information on McGrath, Finian.   Zoom on McGrath, Finian.   McGrath, Finian.
Information on English, Damien.   Zoom on English, Damien.   English, Damien. Information on McGrath, Mattie.   Zoom on McGrath, Mattie.   McGrath, Mattie.
Information on Farrell, Alan.   Zoom on Farrell, Alan.   Farrell, Alan. Information on McLellan, Sandra.   Zoom on McLellan, Sandra.   McLellan, Sandra.
Information on Feighan, Frank.   Zoom on Feighan, Frank.   Feighan, Frank. Information on Martin, Micheál.   Zoom on Martin, Micheál.   Martin, Micheál.
Information on Ferris, Anne.   Zoom on Ferris, Anne.   Ferris, Anne. Information on Moynihan, Michael.   Zoom on Moynihan, Michael.   Moynihan, Michael.
Information on Fitzgerald, Frances.   Zoom on Fitzgerald, Frances.   Fitzgerald, Frances. Information on Murphy, Catherine.   Zoom on Murphy, Catherine.   Murphy, Catherine.
Information on Fitzpatrick, Peter.   Zoom on Fitzpatrick, Peter.   Fitzpatrick, Peter. Information on Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.   Zoom on Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.   Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Flanagan, Charles.   Zoom on Flanagan, Charles.   Flanagan, Charles. Information on Ó Cuív, Éamon.   Zoom on Ó Cuív, Éamon.   Ó Cuív, Éamon.
Information on Griffin, Brendan.   Zoom on Griffin, Brendan.   Griffin, Brendan. Information on Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.   Zoom on Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.   Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Hannigan, Dominic.   Zoom on Hannigan, Dominic.   Hannigan, Dominic. Information on Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.   Zoom on Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.   Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Harrington, Noel.   Zoom on Harrington, Noel.   Harrington, Noel. Information on O'Brien, Jonathan.   Zoom on O'Brien, Jonathan.   O'Brien, Jonathan.
Information on Harris, Simon.   Zoom on Harris, Simon.   Harris, Simon. Information on O'Dea, Willie.   Zoom on O'Dea, Willie.   O'Dea, Willie.
Information on Hayes, Brian.   Zoom on Hayes, Brian.   Hayes, Brian. Information on Pringle, Thomas.   Zoom on Pringle, Thomas.   Pringle, Thomas.
Information on Heydon, Martin.   Zoom on Heydon, Martin.   Heydon, Martin. Information on Ross, Shane.   Zoom on Ross, Shane.   Ross, Shane.
Information on Howlin, Brendan.   Zoom on Howlin, Brendan.   Howlin, Brendan. Information on Shortall, Róisín.   Zoom on Shortall, Róisín.   Shortall, Róisín.
Information on Humphreys, Heather.   Zoom on Humphreys, Heather.   Humphreys, Heather. Information on Smith, Brendan.   Zoom on Smith, Brendan.   Smith, Brendan.
Information on Humphreys, Kevin.   Zoom on Humphreys, Kevin.   Humphreys, Kevin. Information on Stanley, Brian.   Zoom on Stanley, Brian.   Stanley, Brian.
Information on Keating, Derek.   Zoom on Keating, Derek.   Keating, Derek. Information on Troy, Robert.   Zoom on Troy, Robert.   Troy, Robert.
Information on Kehoe, Paul.   Zoom on Kehoe, Paul.   Kehoe, Paul. Information on Wallace, Mick.   Zoom on Wallace, Mick.   Wallace, Mick.
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Information on Maloney, Eamonn.   Zoom on Maloney, Eamonn.   Maloney, Eamonn.  
Information on Mitchell, Olivia.   Zoom on Mitchell, Olivia.   Mitchell, Olivia.  
Information on Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.   Zoom on Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.   Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.  
Information on Mulherin, Michelle.   Zoom on Mulherin, Michelle.   Mulherin, Michelle.  
Information on Murphy, Dara.   Zoom on Murphy, Dara.   Murphy, Dara.  
Information on Murphy, Eoghan.   Zoom on Murphy, Eoghan.   Murphy, Eoghan.  
Information on Nash, Gerald.   Zoom on Nash, Gerald.   Nash, Gerald.  
Information on Neville, Dan.   Zoom on Neville, Dan.   Neville, Dan.  
Information on Ó Ríordáin, Aodhán.   Zoom on Ó Ríordáin, Aodhán.   Ó Ríordáin, Aodhán.  
Information on O'Donnell, Kieran.   Zoom on O'Donnell, Kieran.   O'Donnell, Kieran.  
Information on O'Donovan, Patrick.   Zoom on O'Donovan, Patrick.   O'Donovan, Patrick.  
Information on O'Dowd, Fergus.   Zoom on O'Dowd, Fergus.   O'Dowd, Fergus.  
Information on O'Mahony, John.   Zoom on O'Mahony, John.   O'Mahony, John.  
Information on O'Reilly, Joe.   Zoom on O'Reilly, Joe.   O'Reilly, Joe.  
Information on O'Sullivan, Jan.   Zoom on O'Sullivan, Jan.   O'Sullivan, Jan.  
Information on Perry, John.   Zoom on Perry, John.   Perry, John.  
Information on Phelan, Ann.   Zoom on Phelan, Ann.   Phelan, Ann.  
Information on Phelan, John Paul.   Zoom on Phelan, John Paul.   Phelan, John Paul.  
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Information on Shatter, Alan.   Zoom on Shatter, Alan.   Shatter, Alan.  
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Information on Stagg, Emmet.   Zoom on Stagg, Emmet.   Stagg, Emmet.  
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Information on White, Alex.   Zoom on White, Alex.   White, Alex.  

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg; Níl, Deputies Seán Ó Fearghaíl and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.

Question declared .


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