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Order of Business (Continued)

Thursday, 13 December 2012

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 786 No. 3

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Question put: "That the proposal for dealing with No. 5 be agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 84; Níl, 46.

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Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat. Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara.
Information on Jerry Buttimer  Zoom on Jerry Buttimer  Buttimer, Jerry. Information on Joan Collins  Zoom on Joan Collins  Collins, Joan.
Information on Catherine Byrne  Zoom on Catherine Byrne  Byrne, Catherine. Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall.
Information on Eric J. Byrne  Zoom on Eric J. Byrne  Byrne, Eric. Information on Michael Colreavy  Zoom on Michael Colreavy  Colreavy, Michael.
Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe. Information on Barry Cowen  Zoom on Barry Cowen  Cowen, Barry.
Information on Paudie Coffey  Zoom on Paudie Coffey  Coffey, Paudie. Information on Seán Crowe  Zoom on Seán Crowe  Crowe, Seán.
Information on Michael Conaghan  Zoom on Michael Conaghan  Conaghan, Michael. Information on Clare Daly  Zoom on Clare Daly  Daly, Clare.
Information on Sean Conlan  Zoom on Sean Conlan  Conlan, Seán. Information on Pearse Doherty  Zoom on Pearse Doherty  Doherty, Pearse.
Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul J.. Information on Stephen Donnelly  Zoom on Stephen Donnelly  Donnelly, Stephen S..
Information on Ciara Conway  Zoom on Ciara Conway  Conway, Ciara. Information on Timmy Dooley  Zoom on Timmy Dooley  Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Noel Coonan  Zoom on Noel Coonan  Coonan, Noel. Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  Ellis, Dessie.
Information on Marcella Corcoran Kennedy  Zoom on Marcella Corcoran Kennedy  Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella. Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Flanagan, Luke 'Ming'.
Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe. Information on Tom Fleming  Zoom on Tom Fleming  Fleming, Tom.
Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on John Halligan  Zoom on John Halligan  Halligan, John.
Information on Jim Daly  Zoom on Jim Daly  Daly, Jim. Information on Seamus Healy  Zoom on Seamus Healy  Healy, Seamus.
Information on John Deasy  Zoom on John Deasy  Deasy, John. Information on Michael Healy-Rae  Zoom on Michael Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Michael.
Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy. Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy.
Information on Patrick Deering  Zoom on Patrick Deering  Deering, Pat. Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Kirk, Seamus.
Information on Regina Doherty  Zoom on Regina Doherty  Doherty, Regina. Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael.
Information on Paschal Donohoe  Zoom on Paschal Donohoe  Donohoe, Paschal. Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Martin, Micheál.
Information on Robert Dowds  Zoom on Robert Dowds  Dowds, Robert. Information on Charlie McConalogue  Zoom on Charlie McConalogue  McConalogue, Charlie.
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Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie.
Information on Alan Farrell  Zoom on Alan Farrell  Farrell, Alan. Information on Sandra McLellan  Zoom on Sandra McLellan  McLellan, Sandra.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Catherine Murphy  Zoom on Catherine Murphy  Murphy, Catherine.
Information on Frances Fitzgerald  Zoom on Frances Fitzgerald  Fitzgerald, Frances. Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis.
Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles. Information on Patrick Nulty  Zoom on Patrick Nulty  Nulty, Patrick.
Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Dominic Hannigan  Zoom on Dominic Hannigan  Hannigan, Dominic. Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon.
Information on Noel Harrington  Zoom on Noel Harrington  Harrington, Noel. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Simon Harris  Zoom on Simon Harris  Harris, Simon. Information on Aengus Ó Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus Ó Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Jonathan O'Brien  Zoom on Jonathan O'Brien  O'Brien, Jonathan.
Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O'Dea, Willie.
Information on Martin Heydon  Zoom on Martin Heydon  Heydon, Martin. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O'Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Phil Hogan  Zoom on Phil Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Thomas Pringle  Zoom on Thomas Pringle  Pringle, Thomas.
Information on Heather Humphreys  Zoom on Heather Humphreys  Humphreys, Heather. Information on Shane P.N. Ross  Zoom on Shane P.N. Ross  Ross, Shane.
Information on Kevin Humphreys  Zoom on Kevin Humphreys  Humphreys, Kevin. Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín.
Information on Derek Keating  Zoom on Derek Keating  Keating, Derek. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Colm Keaveney  Zoom on Colm Keaveney  Keaveney, Colm. Information on Brian Stanley  Zoom on Brian Stanley  Stanley, Brian.
Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul. Information on Peadar Tóibín  Zoom on Peadar Tóibín  Tóibín, Peadar.
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Information on Seán Kenny  Zoom on Seán Kenny  Kenny, Seán. Information on Mick Wallace  Zoom on Mick Wallace  Wallace, Mick.
Information on Seán Kyne  Zoom on Seán Kyne  Kyne, Seán.  
Information on Anthony Lawlor  Zoom on Anthony Lawlor  Lawlor, Anthony.  
Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán.  
Information on John Lyons  Zoom on John Lyons  Lyons, John.  
Information on Eamonn Maloney  Zoom on Eamonn Maloney  Maloney, Eamonn.  
Information on Peter Mathews  Zoom on Peter Mathews  Mathews, Peter.  
Information on Michael McCarthy  Zoom on Michael McCarthy  McCarthy, Michael.  
Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane.  
Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe.  
Information on Tony McLoughlin  Zoom on Tony McLoughlin  McLoughlin, Tony.  
Information on Michael McNamara  Zoom on Michael McNamara  McNamara, Michael.  
Information on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Zoom on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.  
Information on Michelle Mulherin  Zoom on Michelle Mulherin  Mulherin, Michelle.  
Information on Dara Murphy  Zoom on Dara Murphy  Murphy, Dara.  
Information on Gerald Nash  Zoom on Gerald Nash  Nash, Gerald.  
Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan.  
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Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O'Donnell, Kieran.  
Information on Patrick O'Donovan  Zoom on Patrick O'Donovan  O'Donovan, Patrick.  
Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O'Mahony, John.  
Information on Joe O'Reilly  Zoom on Joe O'Reilly  O'Reilly, Joe.  
Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.  
Information on Ann Phelan  Zoom on Ann Phelan  Phelan, Ann.  
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Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.  
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Tellers: Tá, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg; Níl, Deputies Seán Ó Fearghaíl and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.

Question declared carried.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Is the proposal for dealing with No. a1 agreed to?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin No. The House is being treated in an appalling manner. There is no doubt what the dominant question of the week is. It should be the Social Welfare Bill. In a constructive manner, I suggest the Credit Union Bill and the Equal Status (Amendment) Bill be put back to next week. Having Question Time this evening at 8.45 p.m. is farcical.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe In the Deputy's time we would have finished today and gone away on our holidays.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order, please.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley Deputy Paul Kehoe would have been the first out the door back then.

Deputy Billy Kelleher: Information on Billy Kelleher Zoom on Billy Kelleher This shows the Government's arrogance.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe In Deputy Micheál Martin's time we would have finished today.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin No. There was many a time when the Chief Whip was given extra hours for debates when he was in opposition.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe Zoom on Paul Kehoe Check the record.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan Zoom on Bernard Durkan Pity Deputy Micheál Martin did not spend as much time debating when he was in government.

(Interruptions).

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order, please.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin We are fundamentally opposed to the entire schedule. Having Question Time at 8.45 p.m. is ridiculous. It is an appalling organisation of the business of the House. The only issue that matters for the people is the Social Welfare Bill. People would logically think the House would be given a reasonable timeframe to discuss the measures included in that Bill. That is all we are asking for on this side of the House. We are looking for a reasonable amount of time to discuss, amendment by amendment, the issues to do with child benefit.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg Zoom on Emmet Stagg That matter was decided by the Whips.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin Will the Deputy stop acting the bully, as he does all the time here? He is at it all the time. He does not run the House.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg Zoom on Emmet Stagg I am terrified.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin I make a plea to the Tánaiste to reorganise the schedule to have the Social Welfare Bill as the main item for debate for the remainder of the day.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley We want to help Government backbenchers.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Deputy Mattie McGrath wants to raise a point of order.

Hurray.

Deputy Mattie McGrath: Information on Mattie McGrath Zoom on Mattie McGrath On a point of order, I think the Tánaiste has misinformed the House. I was here last Friday when the Government Whip said there would be no sitting on the following Monday. He accused the Opposition, but it was he who cancelled the sitting. The Tánaiste should correct the record.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte Zoom on Pat Rabbitte It is like an audition for a pantomime.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley The Minister would have the lead role in it.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett The points have largely been made. However, I make one last appeal to the Tánaiste not to play the political games that he accuses us of playing when, in fact, he is playing them.

Deputy Martin Heydon: Information on Martin Heydon Zoom on Martin Heydon The Deputy plays them all the time.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett It was the Government's decision to allocate 20 hours to the Savita Halappanavar debate.

Deputy Noel Harrington: Information on Noel Harrington Zoom on Noel Harrington The Deputy is wrong.

Deputy Patrick O'Donovan: Information on Patrick O'Donovan Zoom on Patrick O'Donovan That side of the House needs a new Whip.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order, please.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett That was not asked for on this side of the House. It is now apparent that it was a cynical manoeuvre on the Government's part to truncate the time allowed to debate the budget and the Social Welfare Bill.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg Zoom on Emmet Stagg It was agreed to by the Whips, including the Deputy's Whip.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett All we are asking for is for the Government to adjust the Order of Business to allow sufficient time to discuss the specific provisions included in this Bill and the amendments submitted by the Opposition in order that we have an opportunity to scrutinise all aspects of the Bill as we are supposed and obliged to do in the House. The Government is preventing us from doing this.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt I remind the House that we are discussing the proposal for dealing with the Credit Union Bill 2012.

The Tánaiste: Information on Eamon Gilmore Zoom on Eamon Gilmore This is about the arrangements for dealing with the Credit Union Bill. It involves the amendments made to the Bill in the Seanad in which seven amendments were made at the request of Fianna Fáil.

Deputy Brian Hayes: Information on Brian Hayes Zoom on Brian Hayes And Sinn Féin.

The Tánaiste: Information on Eamon Gilmore Zoom on Eamon Gilmore The amendments are being brought before the House as we are required to do.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley We can deal with them next week.

Deputy Mattie McGrath: Information on Mattie McGrath Zoom on Mattie McGrath We will sit next Monday.

Deputy Sandra McLellan: Information on Sandra McLellan Zoom on Sandra McLellan We are happy to deal with them next week.

Deputy Brian Hayes: Information on Brian Hayes Zoom on Brian Hayes They were the Opposition's ideas.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley It is the ordering of business with which we have an issue.

The Tánaiste: Information on Eamon Gilmore Zoom on Eamon Gilmore The debate arranged for last Friday and Monday was on the issue of the A,B and C report. Several weeks ago Members, including some of those who have just spoken, told us how important it was to have a reasoned debate on the matter. We complied with that request.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett We wanted the Government to pass legislation on the matter.

The Tánaiste: Information on Eamon Gilmore Zoom on Eamon Gilmore What we are getting is classic Fianna Fáil hypocrisy. This is the party that cut €936 from child benefit in its budgets, €850 from jobseeker's payments-----

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Timmy Dooley Zoom on Timmy Dooley Why does the Tánaiste not extend the time allowed to discuss the budget?

Deputy Billy Kelleher: Information on Billy Kelleher Zoom on Billy Kelleher If the news is so good, why can we not debate the budget?

Deputy Barry Cowen: Information on Barry Cowen Zoom on Barry Cowen Ours was the party that increased benefits.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin We are only debating this issue until 2 p.m.

The Tánaiste: Information on Eamon Gilmore Zoom on Eamon Gilmore Fianna Fáil took €850 from carer's allowance. It even cut the blind pension.

Deputy Barry Cowen: Information on Barry Cowen Zoom on Barry Cowen We want a debate. Go back to North Korea and to your roots.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin Will the Tánaiste sit down?

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Order, please.

The Tánaiste: Information on Eamon Gilmore Zoom on Eamon Gilmore Fianna Fáil Members are now making complaints about a budget that is fair and reasonable. Can I make one request of Sinn Féin? Please, do not come here and talk about conscience. It is in no position to talk about it.

(Interruptions).

  Question, "That the proposal for dealing with No. a1 be agreed to," put and declared carried.

Deputy Billy Kelleher: Information on Billy Kelleher Zoom on Billy Kelleher We have learned one thing anyway - big majorities make one arrogant.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Michael Kitt Zoom on Michael Kitt Is the proposal for dealing with No. 6 agreed to?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin Zoom on Micheál Martin No. We are not agreeing to anything today. The Tánaiste can play politics and all the games he wants, but the bottom line is that we have until 2 p.m. to debate the Social Welfare Bill. There is no urgency attached to dealing with the Bill. We can deal with it next week. Instead of dealing with the Equal Status (Amendment) Bill, we could use the time allowed to discuss the Social Welfare Bill. It is that simple. The Tánaiste did not respond to that request in his last contribution.


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