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Leaders' Questions (Continued)

Tuesday, 11 December 2012

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 786 No. 1

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(Speaker Continuing)

[Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams] I asked him if he would listen to the woman who spoke at last night's public meeting in Dundalk if she was standing here today appealing to him to reverse this cut. He will not listen to me - he prefers to mess about and rubbish what I say - but surely he will listen to this woman, at least.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny Zoom on Enda Kenny I meet carers from all over the country. I know the pressure and stress they are under. I know the pressure and stress many in mortgage distress and negative equity are under. I know the difficulties of those who are unemployed who lost their jobs and cannot find new work. I know the despair in the minds of some young people who are choosing to emigrate because they cannot see a future.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams The Taoiseach should do something about it.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny Zoom on Enda Kenny The Government must attempt to deal with all of these circumstances and problems. There is no easy solution to the range of problems the Government faces. With respect to all of those who went before me, few of them ever had to face the scale of the economic challenge we now face. In response to the Deputy's comment about his past business, I had this out with him a number of weeks ago. I would love to hear him speak the truth about some elements of his past.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams If the Taoiseach arranges a special debate, we can talk about that issue.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Will the Deputy, please, resume his seat?

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams We are talking about carer's allowances, for which the Taoiseach is responsible.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter Zoom on Alan Shatter The Deputy is good at giving it, but he will not respond to it.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny Zoom on Enda Kenny Deputy Gerry Adams has made the charge; he should now cut out the waffle and engage in some straight talking. Perhaps some day he might tell the truth about the tragedy, the remorse and the compassion that should have been shown to Jean McConville.

Deputy Ray Butler: Information on Ray Butler Zoom on Ray Butler Maybe some day.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny Zoom on Enda Kenny Maybe Deputy Gerry Adams might do that some time.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I will express, as I have done before-----

Deputy James Bannon: Information on James Bannon Zoom on James Bannon The Deputy should not shake his hand in the Chamber.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams -----my sincere regret for what happened to Jean McConville.

Deputy Ruairí Quinn: Information on Ruairí Quinn Zoom on Ruairí Quinn The Deputy was never a member of the IRA.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I will ask the Taoiseach again to deal with-----

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Will the Deputy, please, resume his seat?

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams A Cheann Comhairle, when this issue was raised before, you said to me you would ensure these types of things were not said in the Chamber.

Deputy Simon Harris: Information on Simon Harris Zoom on Simon Harris Does the Deputy think people should not be allowed to tell the truth?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I ask Deputies to ask questions rather than answering them.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams On a point of order, a serious charge has been made by the Taoiseach.

Deputy Ray Butler: Information on Ray Butler Zoom on Ray Butler It is the truth.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams A Cheann Comhairle, you are there to defend my right to represent the mandate I was given by asking questions of the Taoiseach.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett There are other ways of dealing with the issue.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I did not raise it.

Deputy James Reilly: Information on Dr. James Reilly Zoom on Dr. James Reilly The Deputy asked a question and received an answer he did not like.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett There are other ways of making the point-----

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams What are they?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett -----without breaching Standing Orders.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I am not breaching them.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett If the Deputy wishes to come to my office-----

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I went to your office before.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett -----I will outline the way he can do it.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I want the Taoiseach to withdraw that remark.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett That is a matter for the Taoiseach. I cannot force anybody to do that.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I know you cannot force anybody, but the Taoiseach is diminishing his office.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Can we get back to Leaders' Questions, please?

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams It is so easy for people to make-----

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett The time allowed has expired. We are four minutes over time.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams -----totally unsubstantiated allegations in order to disguise their own responsibility-----

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Will the Deputy, please, resume his seat?

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams -----for what they are doing to working people in the State.

Deputy James Reilly: Information on Dr. James Reilly Zoom on Dr. James Reilly It is the hypocrisy that is the issue.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams The Minister should not dare to talk about hypocrisy.

Deputy James Reilly: Information on Dr. James Reilly Zoom on Dr. James Reilly Why not?

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn The Minister is talking about hypocrisy - God almighty.

Deputy James Reilly: Information on Dr. James Reilly Zoom on Dr. James Reilly Will I find myself in trouble in a dark alley some night?

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn All of the backbenchers who are heckling are going to the newspapers to say they will confront the Minister about all of these cuts and how much they care about carer's issues.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Would the Deputy mind-----

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn This is their chance to show they care, but instead they are heckling.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I ask the Deputy to respect the Chair.

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn It is a nonsense-----

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I am trying to maintain order.

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn -----that all of these hecklers are telling their local newspapers how much they care.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Will Deputy Gerry Adams ask the person beside him to behave himself?

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn They do not care a damn. We will see in a few days time how they will vote.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I remind Members to co-operate with the Chair. The Chair cannot operate if Members do not adhere to the rules that give them two minutes in which to ask a question, three minutes for the reply and one minute for a supplementary question. I ask both sides to stick to this.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams On a point of order, the Ceann Comhairle has spoken about keeping to the rules.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I will not ask the Deputy again.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams If the Taoiseach can make the type of remark he made-----

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I will suspend the sitting if the Deputy does not resume his seat.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams I want the Taoiseach to withdraw his remark.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett I will suspend the sitting. Will the Deputy, please, resume his seat?

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams Zoom on Gerry Adams No, I will not.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett Zoom on Seán Barrett Then I suspend the sitting for ten minutes.

  Sitting suspended at 3.45 p.m. and resumed at 3.55 p.m.


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